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http://www.news24.com/Green/Ne...UujNV9q8QoV.facebook Dane McDonald, News24 Cape Town – A safari tour operator has been implicated in connection with illegal hunting on state-owned property. A source who prefers to remain anonymous told News24 that in May 2013 Ikon Hunting Safaris took him onto the state-owned Den Staat farm to shoot animals after attempts to find certain animals on Ikon property was unsuccessful. Earlier this week a SANParks employee was arrested in connection with illegal hunting on the Den Staat farm in Limpopo. “He [Johan] said we can go to this farm [Den Staat] and I must take along the cash for the animals I want to shoot because he must pay a guy called Michael...who will arrange the permits and everything,” the source said. “The guy also said it’s his birthday this weekend and he would like for us to shoot him an eland so that he can have a braai.” The source said he was unaware of any illicit dealings. "According to me this was his farm," he said. Denial Ikon Hunting Safaris was established in 2004 and is managed by Johan Hendricks who denied any involvement in illicit hunting activities. “I’m not on the farm, I am not the owner of the farm...for two years I am not on the farm anymore, I don’t know what is going on there,” he said. Hendricks' statement contradicts the source who said he who went on a hunting trip in May 2013. According to a SAPA report the SANParks employee arrested earlier this week faces charges of: -Bringing SANParks' name into disrepute by advertising illegal hunts with price lists using the organisation's official stationery and electronic communications; - Involvement in illegal commercial hunting business for personal gain in a conservation area; - Falsifying documentation including hunting permits and transportation of game carcasses; - Contravening of veterinary regulations (health risk as the activities occurred in the controlled foot and mouth veterinary area); and - Non-declaration of interest in a hunting business. | ||
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Would like to know more on this, these guys operate close to my place... Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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please phillip will be great story thanks Luan | |||
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Luan, I would like to know more my self, sorry that is what I was trying to say. Phillip du Plessis www.intrepidsafaris.com info@intrepidsafaris.co.za +27 83 633 5197 US cell 817 793 5168 | |||
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Hunted in Denstaad for elephant in2010 Nice property, lotsa plains game and also elephants Native farm where they were trying to grow tomatoes I wonder if they ever succeeded So many elephants and baboon and pigs I heard about the Michael what I heard was being a shyster " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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http://www.news24.com/SouthAfr...gal-hunting-20140307 SANParks employee appears for illegal hunting 2014-03-07 22:35 Johannesburg - An SA National Parks (SANParks) employee and a hunter appeared in the Makhado Magistrate's Court in Limpopo on charges of illegal hunting, SANParks said on Friday. The case against SANParks employee Michael Sematla was postponed to 3 June for trial, while the case against the hunter was postponed to 6 April for trial, spokesperson Ike Phaahla said. The two men and nine others were fined R37 000 by the court last month for hunting illegally on Den Staat farm near Musina, in Limpopo, Phaahla said at the time. Sematla was also implicated in a number of illegal commercial hunting activities on the farm in January. They each paid admission of guilt fines ranging from R1 500 to R4 500, depending on which animal they had hunted, Phaahla said. All 11 had been charged with illegally hunting on the farm, which is part of an open system with the Mapungubwe National Park and is a World Heritage Site. "The prosecution of the hunters and the SANParks employee follows months of investigations after a giraffe carcass was found with three bullet shots in the park," Phaahla said. - SAPA Kathi kathi@wildtravel.net 708-425-3552 "The world is a book, and those who do not travel read only one page." | |||
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This is the part that is scary. Why would the hunter be prosecuted?? When we go hunting, most of us deal with an outfitter who is supposed to make sure everything we do in country is legal and proper!! | |||
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I guess he (or she) is equally guilty in the eyes of the law, so it's more a case of why wouldn't he be? That said, it'd be interesting to know if he/she is a local or from overseas....... I'd guess a local. | |||
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Steve, I hunted in South Africa twice, and during those times we hunted different areas. I never had any idea if any of them were legally for us to hunt on. And I suspect that practically all clients were in exactly the same situation. If I book a hunt with a licensed PH, I would expect him to take me to areas where I am suppose to hunt, legally. | |||
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There is a principle in US law referred to as "Reasonable Reliance." It arises when an otherwise innocent person does something illegal, that they do not know was illegal, while reasonably relying on someone who ought to know. As I understand it, in some jurisdictions the person relied on needs to be a governmental official, in others a person in an advisory role, like an attorney or CPA or hunting guide meets requirements. I understand it usually doesn't come up in trails since the prosecutor will decline to prosecute or bargain the charge down to a (much) lower charge. Seems a pretty fair principle to me. JPK  Free 500grains | |||
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Steve, I hunted in South Africa twice, and during those times we hunted different areas. I never had any idea if any of them were legally for us to hunt on. And I suspect that practically all clients were in exactly the same situation. If I book a hunt with a licensed PH, I would expect him to take me to areas where I am suppose to hunt, legally. [/QUOTE] I agree completely but would suspect this parks board guide may not be a PH & the company that may or may not be involved are (if involved) obviously dodgy. Which is why it's so important to only book with the right people.  I'm reading between the lines a bit here but would suspect the hunter was a none too bright local & had been offered a super cheap, no questions asked deal that he couldn't resist. | |||
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That exactly what I heard the guy named Michael was doing. Also we were approached by police there one day and they literally asked for money But the place is great and lot of game, too bad it's being run down by incompetent people So much for government buyout. It's like that all over the world - if you don't earn it, you just use it and abuse it and in the end Who cares Sad world indeed " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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It is surprising how many times I have heard American hunters say that they aren't aware of the rules where they hunt overseas. Thats just darned dangerous to be that ignorantly blissful. I've hunted in most of the European countries, I make absolutely sure that I am within the law. Because American law doesn't count overseas, and good intentions are not legal precedent. Steve makes a great point, hire good people that you can trust, then verify what they say is true. Macs B U.S. Army Retired Alles gut! | |||
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Saeed, That's precisely why the Lacey Act is so scary for American hunters. I depend on my PH and my outfitter to make sure I'm fully in compliance with all the local laws. If they are wrong, not only could I be prosecuted in the country in which we are hunting, but I could be prosecuted back in the states, long after the fact, where all of my witnesses are far beyond subpoena power. The U.S. government really has the advantage and they know it. | |||
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One of the reasons why a foreign hunter must be accompanied by a ph is that it is not expected from the foreign hunter and it cannot be expected to know the legislation on hunting and conservation. It is the job of the ph to ensure that the foreign hunter hunt in such a way that he does not break the laws of the country. The ph must ensure that all the necessary permits are in place before the start of the hunt and the outfitter must have hunting rights on the area where the hunt is conducted. The outfitter/ph must have current permits to act as a outfitter/ph in the province where the hunt is conducted. Foreign hunters should check this before they book the hunt, ask for documentary proof. Very often hunters neglect to check this very important aspects of the hunt. In all the time that I am hunting with foreign hunters not one of them have asked me to see my permits. Hunters are sometimes very irresponsible with vital checks they must do. The only time a hunter can be guilty is when he disobey an order of the ph and in the process do something that is illegal. Bribes are most probably the biggest problem. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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Trial hasn't started yet and Steve's found the poor sap guilty already!
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Milo I'm not finding anyone guilty of anything buddy but like I said, reading between the lines, I reckon the guy was probably a local. That said, the report could well be wrong and the guy reported to be a "SANparks employee" could be a PH and that might possibly put things in a different light altogether. Either way. I'm sure both you and he (the hunter) have heard the old saying about ignorance being no excuse etc. | |||
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I was pulling your chain. Wouldn't want to jeopardise my Portuguese partridge shooting. | |||
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I rather thought you might have been........ make sure you allow time for the ducks as well as the partridges..... the duck shooting here is fantastic and is guaranteed to drive you quackers!  | |||
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"One of the reasons why a foreign hunter must be accompanied by a ph is that it is not expected from the foreign hunter to know the legislation on hunting and conservation." That's good to know. Ever since it was made into law, I have been calling the legislation that suddenly required me to be accompanied by a licensed PH on properties owned by friends "The Outfitter and Professional Hunter Protection Act." :-) Bill Quimby | |||
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As far as I know you can at any time hunt on a friends farm, but you won't be able to export the trophy. But remember you are then the hunter without any protection against anything unlawful. Let me give you an example, in the Limpopo province you need a permit before you can hunt a monkey or a baboon, if your friend tells you shoot one because they are a pest and you do it without a permit, you transgressed a law and can be arrested and brought before a court of law. In no African county can a non citizen hunt on his own. I am not sure of this, but I don't think that I can go to the States and hunt with a friend and bring back the trophies. There are good reasons for laws and it is definitely not to protect a profession, there are many international laws and regulations that comes into play. Life is how you spend the time between hunting trips. Through Responsible Sustainable hunting we serve Conservation. Outfitter permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/73984 PH permit no. Limpopo ZA/LP/81197 Jaco Human SA Hunting Experience jacohu@mweb.co.za www.sahuntexp.com | |||
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You definitely can hunt in USA by yourself as long as you buy nonresident hunting license Exception is Griz , Dall and goat in Alaska " Until the day breaks and the nights shadows flee away " Big ivory for my pillow and 2.5% of Neanderthal DNA flowing thru my veins. When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar. Yours truly , Milan The Boarkiller - World according to Milan PS I have big boar on my floor...but it ain't dead, just scared to move... Man should be happy and in good humor until the day he dies... Only fools hope to live forever “ Hávamál” | |||
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And a hunters safety course. Charl van Rooyen Owner Infinito Travel Group www.infinito-safaris.com charl@infinito-safaris.com Cell: +27 78 444 7661 Tel: +27 13 262 4077 Fax:+27 13 262 3845 Hereford Street 28A Groblersdal 0470 Limpopo R.S.A. "For the Infinite adventure" Plains Game Dangerous Game Bucket List Specialists Wing-Shooting In House Taxidermy Studio In House Dip and Pack Facility In House Shipping Service Non-Hunting Tours and Safaris Flight bookings "I promise every hunter visiting us our personal attention from the moment we meet you, until your trophies hang on your wall. Our all inclusive service chain means you work with one person (me) taking responsibility during the whole process. Affordable and reputable Hunting Safaris is our game! With a our all inclusive door to door service, who else do you want to have fun with?" South Africa Tanzania Uganda | |||
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