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Can I place half of my ammo in my Tuffpak and the other half in my checked bag? _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt | ||
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The definitive answer is...there is no answer becuase airline employees have a tendency to be whimiscal. The best approach is to have your second piece of juggage be hardsided and lockable then you can deal with anything. Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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I believe that South African Airways and the Jo'burg Airport made it clear earlier this year that it must be separate from your firearms. Last year it was a different story, but they had so many complaints that they re-thought their change in policy. | |||
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Luckily I am flying nowhere near that airport Straight from the US to Germany and then straight to Namibia. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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Guns in your gun case, you retain the key and its to be locked, and ammo placed in your luggage..Eleven pounds per hunter..Ammo must be in seperater boxes such as factory ammo boxes or the plastic boxes so that the rounds do not bang together... Don' try to complicate this time proven process. Always carry a copy of the airline regs in your pocket, it really screws up the airline personal when they have to read their own rules. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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John: If you are flying Air Namibia from Frankfurt, I don't recall if Air Nambia has any similiar guidelines. | |||
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If I remember correctly, Namibia govt. says 100 round per rifle and the airline (Lufthansa) says 10lbs. Might want to bring 100 and leave some for the PH if he wants it....but bring some out with you or you might raise some eyebrows. Robert Robert If we can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people, under the pretense of taking care of them, they must become happy. Thomas Jefferson, 1802 | |||
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I'm wrapping my cartridges in condoms and then swallowing them. ______________________ I don't shoot elk at 600 yards for the same reasons I don't shoot ducks on the water, or turkeys from their roosts. If this confuses you then you're not welcome in my hunting camp. | |||
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Some Airlines will let you carry in your TuffPak, others will not. Last year we took Northwest to Amsterdam and their partner, KLM from there to Arusha. One of the airlines website said they wanted it locked in with the guns, the other said it was verboten. We printed the regs from the websites, locked the ammo in the luggage with TSA approved locks, and everything was fine. Just act calm when your ammo sets off the TSA screening alarm Have gun- Will travel The value of a trophy is computed directly in terms of personal investment in its acquisition. Robert Ruark | |||
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John, apparently you haven't read my post in Africa Travel under Packing ammo thru South Africa. I even illustrated it for those who have never been through the process to make it easier to follow. That method worked for me going through South Africa and it worked for me on Air Namibia going Frankfurt to Windhoek. If you won't take my advice as good then go with Ray's -
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Nothing so reassuring as ten defintaive methods, eh? I have packed the ammo in a lockable case and placed it in my duffel without problems for several international trips, maybe five or six trips. (Before that, loose in factory boxes in my duffel, but don't try that now!) I would stick with this, use TSA locks too just to make them feel useful! JPK Free 500grains | |||
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Just one thing to be aware of... Most of the airline regs do not specifically identify plastic boxes. Most of the regs say "Orginal factory, wood, fiber board, metal or other suitable"...I have never had a problem with plastic and I think they certainly qualify as other suitable but we are deailing with lots of knucleheads. So I have started just using factory paper boxes. The other day I was asked if my ammuniton was self "prepared"...since I too can be a knucklhead , I decided I had no idea what self prepared meant so I simply said "no". Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue. What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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Mike Dettore's comment is a good one. I've been using mixed plastic boxes and reused factory boxes. I think that it is wise to recycle the factory boxes, just to remove some moron's possible reason to cause trouble. JPK Free 500grains | |||
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Hi, in Italy is mandatory to have guns and ammo in separated boxes and separated by normal luggage too. This because G&A must be loaded in a separated hold. Of course this is an annoying management because there are more pieces to bring around. The only vantage is that is a certain and not questionable rule. I used also the gun box for all the accessories that I want to bring with me like knife, shooting sticks, lamp etc. to make the normal luggage lighter. Last time I throwed in the gun case two bottles, soap and liquid for lenses, declared too big at the xray control. The gun check in fact was after the x-ray control area. bye Stefano Waidmannsheil | |||
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I think I'm going to buy a cheap Flambeau ($6-$10) pistol case, lockable, put my ammo in there and place in checked baggage. Midway has several different sizes. What do you guys think about that idea? BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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That is a nice way to put it. Couple of trips ago I packed 33 pounds of ammo split up among all the luggage for my wife, daughter, and myself. It was our rifle ammo plus the remainder of the weight in shotgun shells. The nice people at Houston Bush AP were not happy with my plans. They took out all the shotgun shells and left the rifle ammo. They did not want to discuss regulations. We were flatly told that we could leave the shotgun shells and take our rifle ammo or just leave all of it in Houston. They usually wait until your flight is boarding to start these arguments so we just took the rifle ammo. Elephant Hunter, Double Rifle Shooter Society, NRA Lifetime Member, Ten Safaris, in RSA, Namibia, Zimbabwe | |||
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It doesn't make any difference what Namibia airlines regs are or any other airlines, you still have to abide by the USA regs to get there for Petes sakes... Like I said keep it simple and you can travel anywhere on this planet..11 lbs. of ammo, ammo in your clothes luggage and it seperator boxes ala factory boxes or plastic boxes, no more than 3 guns in your gun case.. If you try and finagle your way over there your asking for problems and you deserve them.. I don't know how I can be any clearer on that, and I have been sending clients overseas for many years... K.I.S.S. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the advice. It will go in my check-in luggage in a locked case in original factory boxes - 80 rounds. _____________________________________________________________________________________________________ Far better is it to dare mighty things, to win glorius triumphs, even though checkered by failure... than to rank with those poor spirits who neither enjoy nor suffer much, because they live in a gray twilight that knows not victory nor defeat. - Theodore Roosevelt | |||
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I got a really nice lockable pelican case at: http://www.all-pelican-cases-4-less.com/ Price was pretty reasonable. ______________________ I don't shoot elk at 600 yards for the same reasons I don't shoot ducks on the water, or turkeys from their roosts. If this confuses you then you're not welcome in my hunting camp. | |||
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That's all you need to do John. Ray's advice is spot on......... Regards, Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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What, even the 700 Nitros? Verbera!, Iugula!, Iugula!!! Blair. | |||
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Cabelas has a "Ammo travel case" lockable for $24.99. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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If I remember well the norma recovery method is to sit and (understand me) evacuate. think what can happen if one round arrives sideways and more over if it is a long case cartridge bye Stefano Waidmannsheil | |||
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This is really a 2 pistol case with keyed locks on the latches. If TSA wants to open it, it will be a problem unless you wrap it with chain and use a TSA padlock. Other two pistol sized cases that take a small padlock might be a better choice. "Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult." | |||
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I've carried 80 rounds of rifle ammunition in original boxes in a metal cash box, the kind they sell in Wal-Mart/K-Mart for two Safaris. The container has plenty of room left for camera film or whatever else you have that is fragile, and it is lockable. TIA and RSA agents seem to love this arrangement. It was recommended by Terry Blaukempt several years ago, and I'll use the same box on my next Safari as well. Sure, it's bulky, but if you travel using parachute bags or similar high capacity softside baggage, they work just great. LLS | |||
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Thanks to DC Roxby, Because of his posting, I have just ordered one of the small Pelican cases for my ammo and it can double as a nice camera case when not carrying ammo to Africa. BUTCH C'est Tout Bon (It is all good) | |||
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That's exactly what I did in 04 and I'll do it again next year. I carried the camera in a neoprene case in my carry on and my ammo in a small Pelican case. Once I got on the ground and started hunting the hard case became my camera case and the ammo went in the rifle | |||
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I've followed Terry B.'s suggestion since '02 and the last couple of years found an even lighter plastic box with a carrying handle and a lock through Midsouth Shooter's Supply. | |||
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LOL on this one! ****************************************************************** R. Lee Ermey: "The deadliest weapon in the world is a Marine and his rifle." ****************************************************************** We're going to be "gifted" with a health care plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people, without adding a single new doctor, but provides for 16,000 new IRS agents, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn't read it but exempted themselves from it, and signed by a President, with funding administered by a treasury chief who didn't pay his taxes, for which we'll be taxed for four years before any benefits take effect, by a government which has already bankrupted Social Security and Medicare, all to be overseen by a surgeon general who is obese, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! 'What the hell could possibly go wrong?' | |||
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