Chuck, Jason,

I think you're anthropomorphizing baboons (attributing human qualities to animal behavior).

Baboons do post sentries, and they will join together to fight off a predator (two or three big dog baboons can put a real hurting on a leopard), and they will even try to rescue their young from predators.

However, that doesn't make them human. If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that they are not always so altruistic. They will attack humans on occasion, will kill each other over food or dominance, and can make themselves a noxious pest in short order.

George

George you are correct, baboons are not human. That being the case I still have mixed feelings about killing an animal that has as much in common with man as baboons do. The list of animals that have more in common with man than than baboons do is VERY short.

Because I believe in evolution I feel man is not very far removed from the other primates.

I very well may take a baboon again but I suspect I will have the same mixed feelings as I did about my first. To each his own.

Jason

Russell

If you do not have the right to kill baboons then what gives you the "right" to kill any other animal?

Jason

Why, don't you know???????

"Rank."

Russ

Also... just a bit interesting that you were still so concerned about the baboons and didn't even comment on me killing humans. Fascinating... but telling. Perfectly equates to the other gentleman's comment about "they don't care about each other," et cetera. My WHOLE oration, and all you came back with was something about killing baboons. Absolutely fascinating.

Russ

Russell; I would also find it problematical to shoot primates and I do not have a high opinion of many of my fellow humans. Having said that, if you really are so willing to commit murder please find competent psychiatric help or go live with BBBruce who has the same homicidal tendencies. This is not a flame sir, it is concern for your friends and neighbors. Or was your posting posturing for the masses like BBBruce?

Russell,

I think it's time for your medication. I've read your posts here and at HA, and it's striking how you can "go off" at times.

Your misanthropic and homicidal tendencies notwithstanding, killing animals and killing people are two completely different things. If you don't see the difference, there isn't much point in trying to explain it to you.


George

Russell

You read far more into what I wrote than what was there.

If "rank" gives you the right to kill animals then doesn't that same "rank" gives you the right to kill baboons?

As far as ignoring your BS about killing humans I felt it was within my rights to comment on the portion of your post which I had a question about. Your "WHOLE oration" held only a few lines of any interest to me.

I am not concerned about your hatred of of baby killers because I share some of the same feelings.

I have far more concern for animals that I do for the 1% of the human race that I view as pure scum. I have less concern for animals than I do for the other 99% of humans who I view as good people.

You will get no flames from me.

Jason
PS If you shoot a baboon through the lungs it will not utter a sound.

On a lighter note.......some old guy told me that when baboons eat ripe fruits and get drunk, sometimes the big males will go around and try to rape people that got too close. Is this true?

GeorgeS

Why not refrain from making judgements about mental health of other posters? It really seems a bit counterproductive to the discussion at hand. I would rather this thread stay interesting as opposed to turning into a flame war.

Jason

Don't know much about baboons but these guys are cool, talk about anthropomorphizing.

Bonobo's: The Happy and Well Adjusted Primate

[ 06-16-2002, 08:41: Message edited by: CritrChik ]

Interesting thread. Normally I'm a pretty harmless guy and think twice about anything I shoot and a lot of things I flat won't shoot.

But there are certain creatures that simply trigger something in me and I fairly tremble to kill them. Turtles, Crows, ferel or wild hogs and although I've never had the opportunity to go to Africa and never will....each time I watch anything about baboons on TV I get the same twitchy feeling. If given the opportunity I would hunt them night and day. Don't ask me why I feel this way. Just call it some instinct.

Most other creatures great and small can hop all over me. They are safe.

Russell-

If you have no interest in shooting a Baboon, that is fine. There are animals I wouldn't care to shoot, either. However, your reasons are lacking sufficient weight to them. We do share 99% of OUR DNA with Chimps. We are far above them in the ladder, though. Chimpanzee males actively hunt other troops for their young and bash them against branches to death, then they eat them. There is a variety of Chimps that "mate" as a greeting ritual, even males to males.

There are so many species of animals that share certain traits with humans. That does not make them off limits to hunt. I am sure it makes it a lot easier for you, as a human being, to sit there and think more highly of yourself because you do not wish to hunt an animal that has traits corresponding to that of a human.

Just take a look at the lioness. She will defend her cubs against just about anything. I have seen footage of a lone lioness with three cubs surrounded by a mean herd of Cape Buff and she stood her ground, missing death by only chance. Does that quality of a lioness put lions out of the huntable category?

Me on the other hand, would not hesitate to shoot a baboon. They are good for nothing creatures. They kill domestic dogs, can easily thrash a camp apart, ect.

I do not mean to flame you, just to give my side of the perspective on the matter, nothing more, nothing less.

By the way. Big male deer also send the females and young first.
And I don't hate the animals I hunt. They may be pest I'd like to control but I don't hate them. I don't like to juge a animal on how it looks. Should we shoot only animals that are ugly. And leave the qute ones? Sound abit Disney to me.

When I'm talking about Disney, I must tell you about what my little sister said, when my father read Bambi to here. She was about 4-5 years old. She asked why they shoot his mother. My father said that they probably where going to use the meat. She then said. I know what they do with the males. They cut the head of and hangs on the wall! She had seen this a friend house. Later in the book the animals see smoke coming throug the wood. (The start of a forestfire) My sister then said: They are probably frying the mother

Johan

WOW...You all have given me something to think about.

As a human do we have the right to hunt animals.........HELLLL Yesssssssssssss. Get over it you green weenies.

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We are talking about a animal.
I personaly will shoot all I can afford.

To the fellow who did not like the picture of the baboon with the ciggerete.....Get a life.

your world must be very small to waste such a long post on this.......

urdu bob

[ 08-17-2002, 00:59: Message edited by: urdubob ]

Keep going guys, this may be the least intelligent series of posts yet on Accruate Loading..It has no point and very little accuracy and it's loading with anti sentiment or should I say anti ammo....Your feeding the enemy.

"Professional courtesy."

Rofl

Mr. Taylor, I feel much the same way about
the smarter, meaner game in Africa.

If they let me walk around, without goring, stomping, or eating me, I think I should at least keep it to picture taking.

If not, where is that 2 bore I ordered???


s

Guys, only the great apes(gorillas,chimps, orangs and gibbons) should be worthy of such respect as not to be shot(routinely) and NOT because they are our kinfolks! Consider the entire scope of things. Where did all the physical mass of the universe come from? It didn't just exist on it's own. There is something higher and in control of all this. You have to decide what "It" is. The logical conclusion would be, "Yes Louretta, there is a God!"

I will have to track down MonkeyMan on another site he lives in South America and loves to hunt monkeys for the farmers there.He mite like to go over to SA for a a hunt.If they are basicly varnmits,how come no one is sitting up those type of hunts,were we could use some of the high speed dog punchers to reach way out there.I would think either my 22Texan or the 220 swift would work great on them.