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Was just thinking ..... I know AR is a free forum of outdoors minded people who have a certain kind of brotherhood that binds us .... Apart from SCI which is proberbly 45,000 + membership and a commercial organistaion, I was just wondering how STRONG AR was becoming membership wise .. Would we collectively be possibly #2 in membership worldwide as far as ( hunting organisations go ) and what BIG PLANS if any might there be for the future to not only enhance our standing BUT to make our voice heard more !!! Thoughts ideas and comments welcome Peter | ||
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Peter, I agree there's enough of us to be a force, but there's no way we'll ever be a cohesive force. Just check out the endless threads on 45-70s, etc! | |||
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TheFiringLine is very big in both number of members and posting activity but a totally different type of forum to AR. It is very semi auto, military and pistol based. Thehighroad.org is also very big and active and I think was a spin off from TheFiringLine, but again a different type of site to AR. Mike | |||
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Peter, While attending the Dallas Safari Show, it was my impression that many in the hunting community are unaware of AR. A good thing, in my mind, about AR is that we have no agenda. We are simply a resource, an encyclopedia if you will, of hunting/shooting information. Were we to develop a into an organization with an agenda, then it would change the direction entirely. Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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Terry's right, AR is a Think Tank. As for the advancement of the 45/70, it is but one of many causes and technologies that are explored and developed.  Minkman | |||
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I would think that the NRA is much larger than SCI in terms of any topic on the shooting sports. Join the NRA | |||
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Peter At 45000 the SCI is quite small when you thinks Australia's Sporting Shooters Association is well over 100,000 As to the forums, the percentage of shooters involved is incrediblly small and especially when you factor in that many sites share many of the same members. As a by the way, a few weeks ago when talking to the fellow that runs the Wby custom shop I said to him that if the forums mean much then after the 300 Wby it would seem the 257 Wby was the nest most sold Wby and the 340 Wby was right up there. How wrong was I. The 270 Wby is easily number 2 and the 340 is a blip on their graph and 257 is third. The only area where the 300 Wby did not hold fist place was in Accumarks done in the custom shop and the 30/378 was number 1 there. The Remington Sendero was doing well on the forums with lots of them and good reports but Remington has discontinued it because of lack of sales. These forums would indicate that 416 bore size and 9.3 X 62 were really moving along. But then go and look at the number of bullets Speer, Hornady and Sierra make for them. I strongly suspect that 99.99% of shooters are about the same buying rifles/calibres as what we are when buying computers. Mike | |||
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SCI is equal in political access in the US to the NRA and far surpasses it Internationally. Most SCI members are also NRA members. | |||
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Mike, I post on THR as well but you are right it is a very different sight. Whenever I post pics and stories of an African hunt invariably some loser will comment about how horrible trophy hunting is and the people who do it. And I'll also invariably get one guy who replys with hey this ain't nothing the REAL african hnters are on the ARL. One of our fine and polite and slightly mental ARL members I'm sure.  | |||
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45/70??????  The collective knowledge of this forum is a bit staggering! Aside from gaining a great deal in information, the opportunity to meet and hunt with my new friends has been the greatest thrill for me. Our informal get togethers in Dallas are grand events! If you ever have the chance to make one of these shows, you will not regret the time well spent in the company of some very nice folks! In less than two weeks, 12 members of the Double Rifle Shooters Society will gather at Raggedy Creek Ranch in Crowell Texas, for our annual hog hunt. That time together, hunting with folks, I didn't know existed 4 years ago, will be one of the finest times of my life! For me this forum is precious time spent amongst our BAND OF BROTHERS! I thank each of you! Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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Well said Rusty! BTW did you buy that whitworth out from under me the other day? No grudge just envy. As far as AR being a force it certainly is. Knowledge is power. You can find the answer to most anything firearm or hunted related here. Happiness is a warm gun | |||
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No I didn't! Leonard already had a buyer and I already have one! It would have been a nice addition to anyone's collection. I'm still looking for a barrel band for mine. Rusty We Band of Brothers! DRSS, NRA & SCI Life Member "I am rejoiced at my fate. Do not be uneasy about me, for I am with my friends." ----- David Crockett in his last letter (to his children), January 9th, 1836 "I will never forsake Texas and her cause. I am her son." ----- Jose Antonio Navarro, from Mexican Prison in 1841 "for I have sworn upon the altar of god eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." Thomas Jefferson Declaration of Arbroath April 6, 1320-“. . .It is not for glory, nor riches, nor honours that we are fighting, but for freedom - for that alone, which no honest man gives up but with life itself.” | |||
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The strength of AR comes from it's independence. As a group of individuals with no political affiliations "opinions yes"  but not lobbyists, not share holders to represent or be held accountable to. Just hunters and shooters coming together to speak their minds. LOL even the occasional 45-70 thread thrown in AR's strength is it's freedom. I think Saeed recognizes that fact and we all appreciate it. | |||
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Minkman... I thought this was an organization without an agenda. What this 45/70 deal? ;>  | |||
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I'm not sure I see AR as a force, but I really appreciate AR as a resource. As someone new to international hunting but with hopefully many years of hunts to come, I love the resource that you members represent. I work in the field of education and sadly most of my friends are golfers, not hunters. For me, AR is like having bunch of friends and experts who all have extensive knowledge on the thing I love most to do, talk about, etc. In the past couple of years, I have consulted AR on binocular, rifle, trip, and scope choices. I have found out how to build shooting sticks and used them to practice for Africa (Glad I did that). I know that if I have a question or just want to do some research for an upcoming trip, AR is the first place I go. I think if AR starts trying to have an agenda, the more the agenda narrows, the more appeal it might lose to some members. Not that we could all agree that a 45-70 is the perfect round for all situations from quail hunting to taking down a big tusked jumbo. | |||
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"May the Force be with you" OK Walter is obviously Chewbacca, Ray Atkinsn Obi-wan Kenobi (in the original Star Wars) but we have the folloing characters to match up: Luke Skywalker Darth Vader Princess Leia Yoda with Saeed Ann (Aspen Hill) Ass-Clown Ganyana. Now who is who? Use these characters and members as a guide only. | |||
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Agree with T. Carr...a formal organization would have an agenda...agendas create beuraucacy and the firts rule of a beuaracy is to perpetuate itself... I spent some time in a camp last week with a guy who thought the SCI book was his life and his ethics disgusted me... Mike Legistine actu quod scripsi? Never under estimate the internet community's ability to reply to your post with their personal rant about their tangentially related, single occurrence issue.  What I have learned on AR, since 2001: 1. The proper answer to: Where is the best place in town to get a steak dinner? is…You should go to Mel's Diner and get the fried chicken. 2. Big game animals can tell the difference between .015 of an inch in diameter, 15 grains of bullet weight, and 150 fps. 3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges. 4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down. 5. While a floor plate and detachable box magazine both use a mechanical latch, only the floor plate latch is reliable. Disregard the fact that every modern military rifle uses a detachable box magazine. 6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle. 7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions. 8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA. 9. The size of a ding in a gun's finish doesn't matter, what matters is whether it’s a safe ding or not. 10. 1 in a row is a trend, 2 in a row is statistically significant, and 3 in a row is an irrefutable fact. 11. Never buy a WSM or RCM cartridge for a safari rifle or your go to rifle in the USA because if they lose your ammo you can't find replacement ammo but don't worry 280 Rem, 338-06, 35 Whelen, and all Weatherby cartridges abound in Africa and back country stores. 12. A well hit animal can run 75 yds. in the open and suddenly drop with no initial blood trail, but the one I shot from 200 yds. away that ran 10 yds. and disappeared into a thicket and was not found was lost because the bullet penciled thru. I am 100% certain of this even though I have no physical evidence. 13. A 300 Win Mag is a 500 yard elk cartridge but a 308 Win is not a 300 yard elk cartridge even though the same bullet is travelling at the same velocity at those respective distances. | |||
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