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Originally posted by crbutler:


As far as biodiversity, how does it hurt to have more of the animals around?

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Originally posted by shankspony:
I kind of see it as dumb at both ends.
For these reasons-

There is no logic too the outrage, or understanding and its just part of the urban anti hunting vegan animal rights shit thats is going on. dumbness.

With that said we know its going on, and this guy obviously knows what hes doing is, under that context, hurting public perception of hunters.
So also dumb.

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Originally posted by Bwana1:
Its amazing the number of people that think tigers are found naturally in Africa.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Ungulates are farmed and farmed to hunt. Not for me, but I've got no visceral objection to it. I have a different reactions to cats, however.
Hunting them in a compound just reduces it to a shoot. I like hunting cats, but it's a whole lot of work. Shooting farmed cats is an insult to the cat and to anyone who has hunted them fairly.

Now I might not object so strenuously if it was one on one with a spear and no back up. As long as the video was on YouTube and I was able to bet on the result.

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Originally posted by lavaca:
Saeed,

I'll just ask the question, Do you support raising the big cats to be hunted in fences? We can agree or disagree, that doesn't matter, but I don't like it.

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Originally posted by Heym SR20:
There are lots and lots of ways of looking at this story.

1) Is shooting game on game farm / ranch really any different from shooting truly wild - of course it is, but increasingly truly wild is getting less and less. If we want to rewild areas - and on the whole, marginal agricultural areas are probably much more productive if they go back a "managed rewilded" with the the crops being meat, timber and other natural products, and if hunters are prepared to pay good money to shoot animals or birds that are surplus to requirements, then that makes that whole enterprise viable.

2) Many animals and bird species are very vulnerable to extinction in their native environment, yet there are other similar habitats elsewhere in the world with much less political / human pressure which could support a population of large animals for a period of time until their natural environment can be restored etc.

So with the case of Tigers, Lions, Jaguars, Rhino, etc etc translocating populations to say Southern Africa, US, Europe, Australia makes kind of sense. Take Australia, the Northern Terratories have a thriving population of Water Buffalo and Banteng. Tigers were indigenous in the southern islands of Indonesia until very very recently, so building a population of Sumatran Tigers in Aus, that can basically be wild and thrive on their natural prey of Water Buffalo and Banteng could both build up a reserve of Tigers and keep introduced large wild bovids under control.

3) Is there any real ethical difference between shooting released phaeasants and ducks, and big game that has been introduced and possibly still within a large fenced area. For that matter, farming animals for meat or fur take this argument to the extreme.

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Originally posted by Bushchook:

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Originally posted by Heym SR20:
There are lots and lots of ways of looking at this story.

1) Is shooting game on game farm / ranch really any different from shooting truly wild - of course it is, but increasingly truly wild is getting less and less. If we want to rewild areas - and on the whole, marginal agricultural areas are probably much more productive if they go back a "managed rewilded" with the the crops being meat, timber and other natural products, and if hunters are prepared to pay good money to shoot animals or birds that are surplus to requirements, then that makes that whole enterprise viable.

2) Many animals and bird species are very vulnerable to extinction in their native environment, yet there are other similar habitats elsewhere in the world with much less political / human pressure which could support a population of large animals for a period of time until their natural environment can be restored etc.

So with the case of Tigers, Lions, Jaguars, Rhino, etc etc translocating populations to say Southern Africa, US, Europe, Australia makes kind of sense. Take Australia, the Northern Terratories have a thriving population of Water Buffalo and Banteng. Tigers were indigenous in the southern islands of Indonesia until very very recently, so building a population of Sumatran Tigers in Aus, that can basically be wild and thrive on their natural prey of Water Buffalo and Banteng could both build up a reserve of Tigers and keep introduced large wild bovids under control.

3) Is there any real ethical difference between shooting released phaeasants and ducks, and big game that has been introduced and possibly still within a large fenced area. For that matter, farming animals for meat or fur take this argument to the extreme.

Absolutely no chance that tigers would be introduced to Australia. We haven’t had very positive experiences with introduced game here.Rabbits and foxes have caused huge problems. Deer are unpopular with our environmental agencies. OK for we hunters but lots of problems for farmers, our native animals and vegetation. We have a predominantly city based, anti hunting population too.