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Originally posted by Saeed:

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Originally posted by Die Ou Jagter:
Steve let it go!

Whoever said that SCI is run like a third world dictatorhsip was right.

Only "positive" views of them are allowed to be aired.

Saeed,

I don't notice too may positive 'views' about Zimbabwe being aired these days, and I don't see where the comparison comes from...

As a matter of fact, everyone who has wished to has had as much say as they want on the SCI topic, so where does the 'only certain views are permitted' suggestion come from? As far as I can see, the anti's have had as much say as the pro's. I concur with those above who say bury it - if you want to support SCI then do, if you don't, who cares? I don't think they'll mind if a couple of you drop out....

David

David, AMEN (I guess one can say that on this forum) last word promise.

We will be very happy to "bury" it as you say.

After we get answers to our original questions.

SCI is like just about everything else in the world. It has good points and bad points.

Anyone that blindly supports them and thinks they can do no wrong is out of their minds. Anyone who thinks they do no good is out of their minds.

It seems to me that some things are misinterpreted by people. Some of their major work yields no tangible results. A tangible result being something one can see and touch. Lobbying is incredible important and incredibly expensive yet it yields no tangible result. Does that make it unimportant? No, it is very important.

The record book is another things that seems to piss people off. I am certain that there are those who shoot only for the book to show off and inflate their egos. They register everything they can. The reality is that the record book and the awards are just another way for SCI to raise money. Because there are some pricks that would shoot a animal with no chance just to make it in the book doesn't mean it isn't a legitimate way to raise money. Further, as someone pointed out, it does give one a way to have an idea what a mature animal should be. If it weren't for the record book there would be many animals that I would have absolutely no idea if they were mature or immature specimens as I have never seen one before. I have the record books solely for that reason. I haven't registered anything since 1991.

The tax returns posted by SCI appear to be of the highest quality in their preparation. The tax returns and audited financials are just the starting point for looking into an entities finances. It would take an idiot to give the IRS more information than they ask for whether it is SCI or any one of us posting here. Having said that, Saeed's question about how much was spent on Africa is a simple question that deserves an answer. Has anyone attempted to get an answer? Has SCI provided an answer?

Complaining about the cost of the convention is fine. I attend conventions, conferences and meeting every year in my business. It costs me a hell of a lot of money and I bitch about it. But I keep going because it is good for business. If the convention did not help the bottom line of the outfitters and others, they would not go. It is not SCI's mission to get outfitters business at no cost.

JMO
Thank you for replying to my post.

I do not advocate that SCI should release their Cash Disbursements Journal. Any statement like that would only indicate that I support the logging industry

I wish I was a programmer I would be making a lot more money than I am right now.

The intent in the original post was to indicate that there is software which will meet the reporting desires of an organizations membership. But, somehow I don’t think this is a reporting issue.

Yes I am verbose. And yes my stupidity is a handicap.

Rookie, all you fellows need to figure out that any organization is only a reflection of the members. All organizations have some that want to be in control,some that want to make it better and some that only want to complain. In my view if you have done nothing but read the mag and hope for a deal on a full bore safari at the annual ball you really shouldn't complain. I guess it boils down to, if you aren't doing anything, why should you expect others to be different.

If you enjoy or believe in the local Chapters you must be a member of SCI to be a member of a Chapter.

Local Chapters are where you see personal results.

I'm not sure of the exact number, Bill Quimby probably knows, but I think less than 10% of the members participate in the awards program and less than 15% of the members have ever put an animal in the Record Book.

Most people collect something for their enjoyment and ego. Cars, Guns, Artwork, Women. Why else would anyone ever mount a Dead animal and hang it in their hallway if Ego was a big apart of it?

we'll miss you.

Rich
Buff Killer

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Originally posted by Gator1:

Most people collect something for their enjoyment and ego. Cars, Guns, Artwork, Women. Why else would anyone ever mount a Dead animal and hang it in their hallway if Ego was a big apart of it?

Assuming you meant to say "if ego was NOT a big part of it," the comment seems a bit judgemental. I have never entered anything in the record books altho some of my collection would score quite high. Why do I put dead animals on the wall? Because everytime I look at them, I am immediately transported back to that moment of the hunt. I feel the heat, I am blinded by the light, I smell the smells. It allows me to return to Africa, Europe, Australia and other places everyday! Sometimes I can sit for a long time just looking at my Asian water buffalo, and recall slogging through the swamps, looking out for crocodiles, avoiding the other buffalo I did not want, betting my guy a mile out in the water would go to a small isthmus with shade trees 2 miles across water rather than returning to land, slogging circularly 4-5 miles to get onto the isthmus, then waiting 4 hours for him to make up his mind and finally approach me, finally sensing something was wrong and shooting at that moment. Dragging out a photo album to relive memories in 2D can't beat this 3D experience. That's why I put a dead animal on the wall (in my den where no visitor ever goes).

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Originally posted by Gator1:
If you enjoy or believe in the local Chapters you must be a member of SCI to be a member of a Chapter.

Local Chapters are where you see personal results.

I'm not sure of the exact number, Bill Quimby probably knows, but I think less than 10% of the members participate in the awards program and less than 15% of the members have ever put an animal in the Record Book.

Most people collect something for their enjoyment and ego. Cars, Guns, Artwork, Women. Why else would anyone ever mount a Dead animal and hang it in their hallway if Ego was a big apart of it?

It's been ten years since I retired from SCI so I have no idea how many members participate in the awards programs or record book, but I would guess the numbers are much lower than 10% for either.

Bill Quimby

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Originally posted by interested:

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Originally posted by Gator1:

Most people collect something for their enjoyment and ego. Cars, Guns, Artwork, Women. Why else would anyone ever mount a Dead animal and hang it in their hallway if Ego was a big apart of it?

Assuming you meant to say "if ego was NOT a big part of it," the comment seems a bit judgemental. I have never entered anything in the record books altho some of my collection would score quite high. Why do I put dead animals on the wall? Because everytime I look at them, I am immediately transported back to that moment of the hunt. I feel the heat, I am blinded by the light, I smell the smells. It allows me to return to Africa, Europe, Australia and other places everyday! Sometimes I can sit for a long time just looking at my Asian water buffalo, and recall slogging through the swamps, looking out for crocodiles, avoiding the other buffalo I did not want, betting my guy a mile out in the water would go to a small isthmus with shade trees 2 miles across water rather than returning to land, slogging circularly 4-5 miles to get onto the isthmus, then waiting 4 hours for him to make up his mind and finally approach me, finally sensing something was wrong and shooting at that moment. Dragging out a photo album to relive memories in 2D can't beat this 3D experience. That's why I put a dead animal on the wall (in my den where no visitor ever goes).

Hardly being judgemental. I have stuff hanging everywhere and am proud of some and rather blase' about others.

It makes me feel good to show my stuff and tell my stories to interested people and local school children. That is called Ego.

I have no interest in cars and am not allowed to collect Women.