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23 December 2004 09:06

A hunting boom driven by wealthy tourists is pushing black South Africans off the land to make way for game, generating anger that, a decade after apartheid, whites still own most of the countryside.

Hundreds of commercial farms have evicted their labourers and converted into game parks, turning swaths of arable land into fenced wilderness for trophy animals such as lions and antelopes.

Many farmers admit that switching to hunting is a pretext to get rid of black workers whom they blame for a surge of theft and violent crime in rural areas since white minority rule ended in 1994.

Groups representing labourers say the evictions are a continuation of colonial and apartheid-era dispossession, and that the time has come to expropriate white-owned land.

"Game parks are mushrooming too much. They bring hunger to the people. People are becoming angry," said Mangaliso Kubheka, a national organiser for an activist group, the Landless People's Movement. Kubheka is himself facing eviction from a farm in Ingogo, in KwaZulu-Natal province, where his family has tilled maize and pumpkin over three generations for white owners.

In return, the labourers were given a plot of land of their own to cultivate rent-free, but that arrangement is threatened by the farmer's plan to replace them with wildlife, which wealthy foreigners pay handsomely to shoot.

"If we wanted to go to the township, we would have gone long ago, but we are happy here. It's our home," said Kubheka (48). He showed a clearing with more than a dozen piles of rocks and engravings: the graves of siblings, parents and grandparents.

The farmer, a white Afrikaner, was unavailable for comment. But neighbouring farmers confirmed that they too were in the process of switching to game parks.

Each year about 600 000ha of land is fenced off for hunting or conservation, said Theuns Eloff, a wildlife economist and professor at North West University. Most visitors come from western Europe and north America.

KwaZulu-Natal is especially prolific. Since 1999 the number of game parks has doubled to 139, and they now encompass 260 957ha, according to Stoffel de Jaeger, a hunting manager for the provincial wildlife authority.

Both men welcomed the boom as high-end eco-tourism which generated foreign currency and created more jobs for guides, drivers, cooks and cleaners than were lost in labouring.

One successful convert, Dennis Gehren, said his game park employed 19 people -- compared with four labourers when his land was a farm.

Other farmers who have switched admitted shedding most or all of their workers and said that was intentional, because they no longer wanted black people on their property.

"The biggest problem in this country is theft. We had so many sheep stolen it was killing me slowly, financially and emotionally," said Alan Wilson, who this year started converting 360ha of his farm into a game park.

Game were faster and more difficult to poach than sheep, he said, and a park required far fewer employees than a farm. Stolen sheep were so common they were referred to as takeaways.

Analysts welcome the economic boost from hunting, but worried that the evictions could stoke political and social tension. Black South Africans were forbidden from owning land under apartheid, and thousands were evicted from ancestral regions to make way for white settlers.

This is supposed to be the era of redressing that injustice, and transferring commercial farmland to create a new class of black farmers. But a decade after the African National Congress took power 80% of farmland is still owned by whites, and the government target of putting 30% of agricultural land into black hands by 2014 is slipping.

Groups which claim to speak for millions of poor people in rural areas say patience is running out. "There is resentment and anger amongst our people," said Blade Nzimande, Secretary General of South Africa's Communist party.

Surveys show most white farmers, worried by the violent dispossession of their colleagues in Zimbabwe, agree that there is an urgent need to redistribute land, and that they are willing to sell much of their property to the government. But since 1994 only about 4% of the land earmarked for black ownership has been transferred, a sluggishness blamed on government penny-pinching, bureaucratic delays, and uncooperative or greedy sellers.

More money and political will has been pledged for 2005. And the ANC has reassured skittish whites that it will respect the rule of law to ensure orderly redistribution, unlike Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe.

Even if a major eruption of violence is unlikely, there is no doubting how troubled rural race relations have become in the past decade.

White farmers say their livelihoods are squeezed by drought and expensive, impractical labour regulations, and that they fear violent robberies which have killed 1,500 farmers in the past decade. Groups like the Landless People's Movement say farmers are still exploiting and abusing labourers and hogging the best land.

"The end of apartheid broke down an unjust, paternalistic system - but nothing replaced it. Now many farmers think that one of the ways to make a living from the land is to minimise the involvement of black people," said Jonny Steinberg, the author of Midlands, a book on farm murders.

"I haven't met a farmer in the midlands [of KwaZulu-Natal] that doesn't want black people off his farm. Game parks are just one strategy among many to end a fraught relationship." - Guardian Unlimited � Guardian Newspapers Limited 2004
 
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I'll side with the white farmers, at least if we want to continue hunting in Africa, we had better hope the indigenous of Africa never get total control...

One simply has to look at RSA today to see how much it has gone to hell since the fall of Apartied...and the atrocities that all complained about towards the blacks still exist but ten fold today, but hey its a black against black (colored actually) thing so we don't interfer even though tribal warfare is hidden in the dark cornerso of RSA...

Sometimes our State Dept. sucks and this is a prime example, we put a faciest gov. in power and never follow up on our misdeeds and act as innocent as lambs. Politics give me the willies....
 
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Can anyone not see the handwriting on this wall? I do recall a past thread here on Europeans, Americans, etc. wanting/considering to buy land, partnership, etc. in RSA and other African countries and some of those comments that followed. It was a good discussion.

Politicians and the press will blow this up to where it becomes more than just another excuse to confiscate land in the RSA. Lord, help them.
 
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It's a pity we never get any 'credits' where these "Kathi" stories come from. Looking at whom the author or writer is and where it was printed often tells a story in itself.
 
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Alf,

Well said.

Kathi,

Don't bother us on this forum with this sort of rubbish. Most people here are intelligent and a lot have been to Africa or come from Africa.

Africa without the whites has a track record. Just take look.
 
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I appreciate Kathi posts with news. Alf, you know as well as anybody that Natal and Zululand are not the bare desert you describe. Granted it will be ruined but the whites are fighting a loosing battle..

Whether this story is a true representation or not it is a point of view that is common in Southern Africa. A lot of Europeans bought into the black rule thing as being 'fair'. I doubt if reality will change their minds.
 
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Whoaa, there, Bubba. Kathi's post are interesting to more than a few here, just look at past ones and the responses to them.

Agree that much of what's published nowadays is rubbish and bs. To hammer Kathi or others for posting "info",,,,,,It is an Africa Forum. Dont like'em, dont read'em.
 
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I would bet this story is written by a bunny hugger!
They just want to come from another angle of attack!

The first sentence is the giveaway.

How come writers like this don't write about what a total failure so called black rule has been to Africa?

The worst enemy the normal African has today is his own black government.
 
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I remember this being posted on here a while back--

here it is again-

Ten Years After Apartheid -
The Raw Facts
By Jan Lamprecht
African Crisis.org
5-9-4

South Africa's first "democratic election" was held on 27th April 1994.

Here are the things you will never see in the major news media regarding post-Apartheid South Africa...

* In 10 years, 1+ million South Africans, mostly blacks, lost their jobs due to the ANC's creeping socialism

* Unemployment is at a staggering 45%+ - much worse than under white rule & worse than the 30% unemployment in the USA during the Great Depression

* 1 million whites stand to lose their jobs in the coming years to Affirmative Action

* 1,450+ White commercial farmers were murdered & our food production is being threatened by "Land Reform"

* They say by 2014, 30% of commercial farmland will be owned by blacks
though I think it will happen much sooner & on a much bigger scale

* 115,000 land claims by blacks have been processed so far - and millions of hectares of land have been handed over to them

* There are farms in South Africa, which were prosperous when run by whites, which were handed over to blacks. These farms then collapsed after 2+ years of black management and are now derelict

* We are the rape capital of the world... it is conservatively estimated that we have 50,000 rapes per annum

* 21,500 children were raped in 2000

* 40% of rape survivors are under 18...

* 1,231 children under 5 were raped in 13 months by blacks believing in AIDS myths. Many babies who are raped die...

* We are now an international drug-smuggling route, comparable to Colombia...

* We export cannabis grown by blacks...

* We are the largest users of mandrax in the world...

* 150-200 Police are shot dead annually by violent criminals...

* Our Police have the highest suicide rate in the world...

* Our society is 7 times more violent (per capita) than the USA...

* In violent crimes, we match Russia & Colombia...

* Crime is so high the Govt put a moratorium on the release of crime statistics for a year & fudged them ever since...

* The Democratic Alliance (conservatively) estimates there are 300,000 robberies per annum

* Our prisons are often filled to capacity (170,000+) & then thousands are let go, sometimes without being charged...

* In January 2004, it was reported that some of our prisons are 300% over capacity...

* In March 2004, it was reported that the prison population was 180,000...

* Mandela's "Birthday Present" to the country (yes they used those words), was to release 9,000 criminals...

* Murderers have been "forgiven" by our Presidents, only to murder again...

* On 3rd March 2004, on SABC TV3 News it was announced that to "Celebrate Ten Years of Democracy" they might let thousands of prisoners go free...

* More prisons have been built after Apartheid but even that is not enough to cope with the crime wave...

* More blacks are in our prisons after Apartheid than before. (They no longer fear the Police)...

* The ANC LOVES criminals. They gave them the vote! It was announced that over 100,000 prisoners would be registered & allowed to vote

* Some criminals were afraid of being registered to vote. They feared if their finger-prints were taken they'd be implicated in other yet undiscovered crimes! (My question is how they can be in prison in the first place without being fingerprinted?? Strange things happen in this country!)

* We had 10 years of peace, with no international sanctions and yet, the much-awaited boom never came

* Our socialist economy dribbles along. GDP growth is estimated at 1.3% per annum which compares weakly with (sometimes) double digit growth rates under white rule.

* The Democratic Alliance estimates that 6% GDP growth is possible even now if the economy was run better.

* In the Johannesburg (Gauteng) area, 80% of self-help schemes for blacks have failed since 1994

* Let there be no illusions where the ANC wants to take us. They support & give money to: Zimbabwe, Haiti & DRC (Zaire) who are ruled by Socialist Dictators who suppress even the blacks!

* In the April 2004 election the ANC finally attained its goal of getting 66% vote

* This means they can change the constitution at will and no other political party can stop them

* This is what Robert Mugabe was able to do before he took 95% of the land from 4,500 white farmers

* The ANC got 70% of the votes (although the IFP complained that there were 42 election irregularities in KwaZulu/Natal alone)

* Now that we are officially, and legally the latest One Party State in Africa, we will walk the path of others like Zimbabwe where eventually nobody, not even the blacks, have any freedom any more...

* South Africa's economy, employment & crime rates were better when the world hated us and we had civil strife

* In the end, the only winners were the handful of the new Wealthy Black Super Elite...
 
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I enjoy reading Kathi�s posts as most of the AR members. She is providing information from the press. Nowadays the journalists are prone to touch subjects close to our heart, rather than to give crude and incontestable facts or figures. They appeal to our guts rather than our brain. Passion above Reason.
In this article one can discern a least 4 opinions. Then it�s up to everybody to make his mind.
I think AR Forum is piling mountains of expertises and intelligences. Should someone have trouble making his mind, reactions or facts from the other members help a lot.
Please don�t shoot the messenger, never harm a woman even with a flower.

About RSA, I am incompetent. I think (feeling not crude facts) Mandela got the most superb present one can imagine. The SA government in among the most scrutinized and derive maximum profit from the hateful experiments applied for 50 years in Africa. Notably in Mozambique, Angola and Mugabeland. As long as RSA is under thorough observation and media coverage, one can expect no serious derailment. We have not to drop our guard, thanks to Kathi and insiders.
 
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Kathi, thanks for the alternate view. Keep'em coming!

Alf, Excellent information and pic's. Too bad no one does an article on these points and gets it printed in a large bunny hugging US paper.
 
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said Blade Nzimande, Secretary General of South Africa's Communist party.




Now if you read who is making some of the comments, you know how much weight to give them. If I read something a jerk like this said in Australia I would give him about a 1% rating of fact until convinced otherwise.

Unfortunately the illiterate ignorants black majority has other ideas.

On land distribution it would be unwise for the country as a whole to have blacks having lived generations on a farm evicted overnight to a bleak future. This sort of thing is still remembered with hate by some today for when it happened in Scotland and Ireland and wars are still being waged.

In reality the small plots utilised by the farmers, how many land of a total farm do they really represent, 5% ? I couldn't see why they couldn't stay on that land.

Banditry and robbery are another thing however and not easily solved, but where there is a disenfranchised population, breaking the law comes more easily.

A bloody mess and in the end the white farmers will loose, so will the animals and so will the blacks with a lower standard of living for 98% of them.



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And the ANC has reassured skittish whites that it will respect the rule of law to ensure orderly redistribution, unlike Robert Mugabe's regime in Zimbabwe.




Pigs fly in Africa too.
 
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I have talked to many blacks who preferred the old days of apartied and the old Zimbabwe, when they for the most part, lived a better and simplier life..For the most part they were treated well...

But for the exception of a few, Apartied was a good thing, but you always have those cruel elements that are convienced that the way to rule is through fear, and sometimes you wonder if thats not a trueism, who knows, but it ain't right and those are the people that should have been punished and apartied turned a deaf ear, it came back to haunt them, but the end result was not the solution...

Now the atrocities are 10 fold greater, and we (USA) are looking the other way because its a "black problem" blacks against blacks and thats OK, has no political positive in it for us...As Rourke said, we took away all their beliefs, weapons, forbid them their way of life but we failed to replace that with something of value...

Today everyone is suffering the results of these terrible mistakes, and Africa is suffering that result...Will she survive, perhaps. All great changes come slow, but I cannot foresee any good coming out of this Government as long as the black politicians maintain a tribal attitude, and let the people suffer while they stuff the offshore banks with the peoples money...I think maybe they were not ready for what they got...
 
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Saeed,
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The problem is that the black population in the RSA want the land, all the land and will, mark my word destroy everything on it as they have done in the rest of Africa. They will kill off all the trees for firewood, graze their cattle to the piont of turning the land to desert and will eventually as they have done in the other parts of arid africa finally do themselves in as well. This will happen, no if's and's or buts.




ALF,

Having seen much of "the rest of africa", I'd say that your observations are saddly accurate. Unfortunatly, our western media chooses to just ignore what the future holds for africa if this type of mismanagement continues... My own country is to a large degree to blame due to misunderstood "kindness", allowing dictators to pocket vast amounts of money for themselves... Not to mention having supported the ANC with sardine tins and huge amounts of money boith before and after "freedom" was obtained. Most of this money is unaccounted for and is most likely in Swiss bank accounts belonging to Mandela and other ANC leaders. My only wish would be that our western media would start reporting about the truth instead of only "how fantastic RSA is doing thanks to the ANC"

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This article came from the South African Mail and Guardian online, go to google, type in south africa news, then mail and guardian should be the first newspaper. Most of the time the article will not highlight to show the newspaper where it came from.
 
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yes, a shit track record. Isn't amszing how liberals especially those from Australia can't see the forest amongst the trees.
 
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Soon enough the forest will be cut down and then even a liberal can see that there are no trees.

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But for the exception of a few, Apartied was a good thing






Ray, I can't agree with you at all on this. Apartheid was a complete crock of shit and I find it incredible that any intelligent society could have ever imagined it would work.....in fact there's not a single country in the world where it has been successful.........and that includes the USA, who although didn't call it apartheid they still tried to maintain the same policies of seperation......most of which were abolished in the 60s & early 70s.



Surely the sensible thing to do would have been to try to use more moderation or dare I say it.......tact. A velvet glove over the iron fist would have made a lot of difference.



More accurately, it would have been a better idea to adopt a policy of let's try to educate at least an entire generation of blacks to try to ensure they are able run the country intelligently before giving them any power.....and when we do, lets do it in a controlled manner.



Many of the problems that are faced by black Africa today are due to a lack of proper education. There are many places where blacks found themselves (for example) working as the garden boy one day and the chief of police etc the next....... is it any wonder that bribery, corruption and badly researched laws are the result.



There's not a country in Africa, or at least, not one that I know of where there is not a huge difference in lifestyles between black and white......all I have to do is drive to the end of my road and I can watch cars full of white folks driving past all in nice cars and most towing a selection of "big boys toys" such as jet ski's, powerboats and quadbikes..........and while I wait there I see blacks most dress in rags going through the trash for food........if you were black, would you be happy with that situation?



Sadly it's now too late to do anything about it, but let's face it, Africa is not and never will be perfect, nor will it ever be the same as Europe or the US..........and I thank God for that.



Africa is a cruel and unforgiving mistress and she has never suffered fools gladly, but for all that, I love her deeply and would hate to leave.



All that said, I enjoy and appreciate Kathi's news posts and hope they continue.....after all surely the point of a forum is an exchange of ideas.
 
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I sure agree with you in that ignorance with power is a debacle waiting to happen and Americans only have to look to our inner cities to see the same, albeit on a smaller scale than the Dark Continent. As far as what Ray said, one only has to look at and compare such things as GDP and other economic indicators that seldom fail to lie. The disasters then follow and Ray is correct (jmo). As you say - "cruel and unforgiving".

Some of you may have seen the BBC World segment on Zimbabwe just last night? Pitiful. This is the first report that I've ever seen that laid out, in short order, the progressive fall of a society since white rule and ownership were all but eliminated. 75% unemployment and 700% inflation. The Archbishop of Bulawayo had some amazing comments on Mugabe's refusal of further food aid for the people because "the farms were well and the harvest were more than adequate". The Archbishop laid out in specific terms, the tonnage of grain produced in Zim vs the tonnage required and there was a wide chasm in between. Cruel and unforgiving.
 
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we have ignorence with power in the US too. :-)

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Agree, Red. Scary part of that (to me) is that we're supposed to know better. But, ya gotta be P.C., right? A spade is a shovel.
 
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how liberals especially those from Australia






My guess is I have upset this little "okie" hic some time in the past?





 
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I don't think he was referring to you Nitro.
 
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I said that trying to fix it would be a complex problem. Will it really get fixed? like you said, it is going to go to hell.

Although I won't get into it much I know exactly what happens when things become extremely imbalanced. In Fresno county California the schools now have over 51% Hispanic, a huge portion of them are ESL (english second language). Stupid education laws and assanign tests aside, kids aren't going to learn well when a class is being held back for a portion that don't understand well enough to learn at the same rate as the students fluent in the native language of the country. We have high auto insurance that is BLAMED on uninsured motorists as an increase in claims. while it is a racket I can see when I go to the DMV and have to take the test myself while some people are in there listening to a tape that is translated into their language of choice or have an interpreter with them to help. Seem a bit imbalanced?

What would fix it there is a complex mix of thorny branches, what WILL most likely happen there is pretty simple; a simple decay of their social and economic structure until somebody like the US goes in and trags them off the bottom of the trash can. by then how late will it be to preserve much of it as it should be?

too much political and philosophical crap to think about, somebody post some pics of a 425WR with the clips on the magazine or something.

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first point: take a look at al things, your enemy takes a lot of brain power to figth against you.

second: i dont believe in democray, you dont need religon to see if a goverment working for or against the own people. and this dont looking good for any of the goverments in africa now. can someone here tell me a african country that is a true democracy, only one( i think namibia is not bad but this have other reasons). only blue eyed political correct multicultural lovers thinking today that south africa living better now than under the white gov. the crime and violence statistic isnt all but tell you a lot about this country today.I havn't seen apartheid with my own eyes but it cant be a coincidense that south africa was and is the strongest econemy in black africa and hold all other countrys around on life.many negros try to come to the south african under the apartheid goverment because living was better there than in their own countrys. our enemys have no problem if you are poor but if the negro beside you is poor he called its allways you to blame. ok, the negro take your farm and after a short time all is going down. what#s now, the PC isnt here anymore to see whats happen, he never like to see this, he is now safe the whales.
 
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Botswana is a prosperous country and seemingly well run. Supposedly a democracy but where the sons of the leaders seem to succeed is always an indicator. Hey which other country has a son ruling too.
 
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Botswana is a prosperous country and seemingly well run. Supposedly a democracy but where the sons of the leaders seem to succeed is always an indicator. Hey which other country has a son ruling too.




North Korea? Dubai?
 
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Shakari,
I doubt that we are all that far apart on our assessments..I am not trying to justify the existence of Apartied or any other political arm, but I think I certainly see them in a different light than you and I have studied the history of Africa...

What I am saying is that under Apartied, the country itself was cleaner, safer and much more tourist oriented, just a nicer place to go visit and now under the black regime nothing has changed as far as atrocities to their fellow man, just gone further down hill...I see exactly 0 improvements in RSA as it now stands. Do you?

I believe Apartied came about because the white Boer knew that he was outnumbered 1000 to 1, and they ruled with fear and knowledge of the blacks weaknesses and it worked..With the odds like that they knew how to survive and they did what they had to do to survive and they flourished, it just could not last as they progressed into the modern world and they waited to long to change with the times...

I believe them to have been a hearty lot of strong people and I certainly have a lot of respect for anyone who can carve a life out of a hostile enviorment, and sure wouldn't equate them with a croc of shit, they had grit......
 
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Hi Ray,

Hope you had a good Christmas.

I'd obviously agree with you that RSA was cleaner & safer etc under white rule than it is now, but that doesn't mean that apartheid was a fair and just system.....it wasn't.

As to the Afrikaans as a people, as far as I'm concerned they're the same as any other race.......there's good and bad amongst 'em & I have many Afrikaans friends.

I didn't say they were a crock of shit.........I said that apartheid was a crock of shit.....and as far as I'm concerned, it was a hopeless policy (esp in the long term) born of fear and hatred originating from wars that happened 100 (or more) years before. The nett result has been a black population that is poor, uneducated, unqualified and unable to run a piss up in a brewery, let alone a country. Had there been a better policy of education (25 years ago) for the blacks then RSA would be far better governed than it is now.

If South Africa is governed correctly and fairly then it will become the best place in Africa (but never the wildest!).........if it's not governed correctly then I believe it will go to the dogs and I'll have to leave.....but until then, I'm gonna make the most of it.
 
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Alf,

I've never been to Canada, so couldn't comment.

As to Africa, I agree with your comments. As you say, all the while the populations of Africa vote in a tribal or ethnic manner the white man is in the shit......but I also believe that if the white man had started educating the blacks 25 years ago they might (and I stress the word might) have been voting for policies instead.

IMO, for any country in the world to be successful in the 21st Century it needs to have every part of their society willing and able to make their own particular contribution.

.........Is that liable to happen in Africa?....... I very much doubt it, but as I said, I intend to make the most of living in Africa while I can. Life is not a rehearsal.
 
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Boy, are you naive!

In nearby Kansas City, Missouri, they just voted in another crook, just because he was black. Now "we" have another US Congressman of dubious past and a singular agenda. It is like living in a parallel universe.

You guys are always the optimists, I grant you that.
 
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haven't posted much under my real name ,used to come here as Recurveshooter ,never been to Africa , maybe some day .read the news from Zim every morning over coffee and all you have to do is look and see what has happened there to see what is coming to RSA . i say this with great sadness .
you will be seeing a lot more of these articals as the days go on and then you will start seeing families killed for the land because these type of articals make it easier for people to justify what they do .

i am not very articulate or highly educated but i can see the way things are going in Africa . the glove is now on another hand only now the hand is now Black and really doesn't know how to control it ---- herb
 
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Very sad but not surprising to see this happening.

Majority rule will inevitably oppress a minority--it's usually just a question of degree. The rule of law helps, but only where there's the popular will to make just laws and enforce them.

Things will get much worse before they get any better in the RSA, if they ever do.
 
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Shakari,
I believe that you are taking the only course of action that is left for you, and I respect your position, and were I in your shoes that is exactly what I would do, the only other choice is to cut and run, and that doesn't settle right with a man....

I wish you the best, and hope you and those like you live to see the day that RSA is once again a law abidding and civil country and that may come about in time as all great changes come slow...

RSA is as good as most countries and a hell of a lot better than many such as Zimbabwe, so perhaps their is hope down the line...

I doubt that prejudice with every end, but maybe man will learn to co exist some day at least I hope so...I agree with you that Apartied had a chance and blew it, but at the time I would have probably taken the same course they did, they numbers almost required a minority to rule by fear I think.

But what the hell, were crying over spilt milk and it a done deal so our opinnions mean zilch... Now, like you, its time to make the best of a bad deal...
 
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RSA is as good as most countries and a hell of a lot better than many such as Zimbabwe, so perhaps their is hope down the line...




By the time SAf is truly in the shit, Zimbabwe will be back on the way up (hopefully) with Mad Bob rotting under ground or in Switzerland, Libya or Saudi Arabia ....

It will be another cycle in that continents black politics.
 
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