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Where is the best place to go to have a honest chance at an elephant that is 50 lbs+? I'd like to stick with either Zimbabwe or Tanzania. Opinions please?
 
Posts: 89 | Location: Colorado | Registered: 07 March 2004Reply With Quote
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If interested in TZ, minimum is 21 days. However, on the 21 day license you also get a long list of other huntable species incl;uding cats, royal antelopes and 3 buffalo. In Zim I guess you can hunt ele on shorter hunts BUT you normally are restricted to hunting elephant alone.

If your are dead serious on collecting an elephant, then my recommendation is to plan a "elephant hunt" and all other hunting during that safari plays second fiddle. Ele hunting is very time consuming and very specific. You don't want to mess around shooting other game whilst hunting for elephant is my opinion....

You can PM me if you want details of a TZ outfitter for ele. They have excellent areas where 50 lbs eles are normally passed all the time.

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Zimbabwe - -

A went with a client of mine last year to Matetsi, great hunt saw alot of Elephants, he got his. Besides hunting Elephant he had a long list of other trophies that he could hunt including Sable.

Hunted with Buffalo Range Safaris, Barry Style
http://www.buffalorangesafaris.com

What a great safari!





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As always, Good Hunting!!!

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Posts: 1782 | Location: New Jersey USA | Registered: 12 July 2004Reply With Quote
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get ahold of Jumbo Moore in zim. He has an area just outside of gonarezhou that has very good bulls. I shot a 55# this spring, and he just took a 65# in exactually the same spot. His prices on ele. are very reasonable especially in the spring.
Last year he got a 80# in the same spot too.
 
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Don't overlook Namibia! The Caprivi has some super Elephant.

If Elephant is all you are after, Zim or Namibia can offer a good hunt. If you want to shoot a bunch of animals, 3 Buffalo, Lion, Leopard, Sable, Roan, Hippo, Eland etc. look to Tanzania.
 
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thanks a lot guys - very helpful
 
Posts: 89 | Location: Colorado | Registered: 07 March 2004Reply With Quote
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A 50 pounder is probably do-able in either country...I would decide what type of tusks I liked and go from there...A 50 lb. Zim Elephant will have 3 ft. or less and very thick tusks as a rule....A Tanzania elephant will have say 5 ft. stucks and slimmer...Tanzania elephants are smaller in statue as a rule. Tanzania daily rate is high on elephant but trophy fee is cbeap at $5400.00 so it can equal out most of the time.


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No opinion, just a few thoughts.. A 50lb ele in the Zambezi Valley is a rarity, although possible with some luck and persistence. My 47lb tusk was 5.5-feet long, and the 44lb working tusk was 5-feet long measured around the curve. The ele in the south of the country have the shorter, thicker tusks I believe. When in Sapi this past July, the mythical "50lb elephant" became sort of a joke, with recent and random sightings in various parts of the concession. As with a 40" buffalo, the "weight" of an ele tusk is just one aspect... In addition to the obvious, I personally place a premium on the age of the animal (older being better) and the shot experience (how close, brain or body). Of course, bigger is always better other things being equal. But an ancient broken tusker on his last set of molars would make a grand trophy. JMT's.

Mich (or Ray) - Responses reflect that most of us have hunted Zim, but I'd love to hear more specifics in regards to the ele hunting in Tanz, if you don't mind educating us a bit. I've seen one outfitter advertise a hunt for $25K all-in, which sounds a bit suspicious. Do any of the outfitters do specialized hunts? What areas of the Selous? I read in the recent Hatari Times where there is no official quota per concession, but bulls are shot based more on them meeting the minimum requirement, which has just been lowered. Is this correct?

Thanks! beer
 
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Just another opinion but...

Zim has lots of elephant and shooting a 30-40 pounder for around 15K is not too difficult. This class of ele can be had in Moz also for a similar cost. See http://www.cmsafaris.com for conformation. Areas where one can expect a good shot at a larger bull will cost more. Some areas of Zim consistantly produce larger bulls and prices start around 25-30K and go up from there.

I'm supprised no one has mentioned Botswana as the heaviest teeth (and bulls with the largest body size) have been coming from Bot.s in recent years. The price is high often with a sliding trophy fee based on ivory weight. The lowest price I have seen for Bot.s is around $20K for a 30-40lb bull (expectation) on up to $40K or more for a good shot at something in the 60lb or over catagory.

While some good bulls are taken every year in Tanzinia (Luke Samaras is said to have a good area in the Selous for ele) there are relatively few good areas and the prices are very high comparied to say Zim. It would certainly not be my first choice. For similar money I would try Bot.s. For a look at the long thin ivory Ray speaks of go to Adam Clements website http://www.safaritrackers.com. Sure are pretty...

If money is really a determining factor you might consider a PAC (problem animal control) or tuskless cow hunt. Both are non-exportable but offer an exciting hunt for a very reasonable cost, say $8k or so "all in" as they say.

Good luck;
Brett
 
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Rock

To answer your question there are a lot of variables to consider but if I wanted a 50 pounder or larger bull for sure I would book Botswana with Greg Butler or some other good operator. In most cases you are looking at $40,000 and up for 14 day hunt there. The Zim Forestry areas are very good with 50+ normal but those prices are starting to approach Botswana's. Barrie Duckworth hunts these areas as well Chewore. In Chewore he averaged 50 last year with the price being a little over $30000.
Other areas of the Zambesi valley can produce an average around 35 but the price is about half. Tanzania can provide some lovely long ivory and paricularly LU5 in the Selous. LU5 might give up a very big elephant. Harpreet saw a 70 pounder there yesterday. $55,000 will be about the full boat here because of the 21 day requirement in Tanzania.

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Mark,

I would like to thank you for that reply. That is the kind of no BS information that includes actual areas, prices and trophy expectations that is really usefull and kind of hard to come by.

Best regards;
Brett
 
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There is a 100 pounder still roaming some place nowadays in Africa?. Makes one wonder about the weight loss in the last 40 years.... hijack
 
Posts: 1020 | Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina | Registered: 21 May 2003Reply With Quote
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Brett,

Thanks for the kind words. We do have some good elephant in several places but if you want to be pretty much assured of 50# and up you'll have to pay. I think if pounds of ivory are your major criteria along with huge body size Bots is the only place at this time. The sliding scale for ivory weight determining trophy fee can be avoided. When the Western Caprivi opens 60# plus may be normal with prices much less expensive than Botswana but at present it is still closed.

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Posts: 13235 | Location: LAS VEGAS, NV USA | Registered: 04 August 2002Reply With Quote
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Rock,

While I have not hunted elephant in Zim, I do understand that it can be very good in the correct areas. I have hunted and shot 2 in Botswana. One in Bottlepan and one in the Okavango. Traditional Botswana ivory, and we had alot of ele's to check out everyday.

I hunted LU5 with my buddy Harpreet Brar last November. Lots of elephant and we shot mine on the 4th day - in the thick forest and charging us. He died at 13 yards.

Tanzania elephant is indeed based on finding a legal shootable bull, and there are not specific quotas per concession. A shootable bull in Tanzania has beautiful long, thin ivory. While it will not generally have the weight of Botswana and Zim at the minimum it is a great impressive looking trophy.

3 elephant were shot in LU5 last year which is great for any Tanzania concession. Especially considering the fact that they don't run alot of people through this concession.

We were in a hurry to move to Ruhudji and were planning on leaving the next day, but this was the second shootable bull we saw in 3.5 days of hunting! I will be back there this November with Harpreet to soley hunt for a big ele. I agree with Mark and do think this area will produce a very big one!

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Thanks once again for the helpful info guys. I appreciate it.
 
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