22 October 2004, 07:06
AtkinsonRe: Controlled Round Feed vs. Push Feed mystery
AZWriter,
Apparantly you have missed the point altogether...A control feed rifle is for hunting situations on big game and especially on dangerous game...It is of little concern on varmints and targets...
22 October 2004, 07:20
KurtCThe CRF concept was designed to eliminate the human error involved in manually operating a bolt. A properly tuned CRF should function at any speed or angle of manual operation.
Autos are push-feeds because they cycle at about 10 times a second and elimate the possibility of human error. Try using an M-16 manually at all angles and see what happens. They turn into Remingtons very quickly.
It proved ill-fated to make autos CRF, as the additional parts actually slow down the cyclic rate and cause unwanted heat build up.
22 October 2004, 06:57
IndyYou missed an earlier point.
I have over 6400 rounds through my AR15 Push Feeds without a single malfunction. I'm also confident they will function upside down.
But take a Model 700 or Weatherby with two rounds in the magazine, push the bolt 1/2 way home with the muzzle pointing down, then draw the bolt all the way to the rear and push it forward again. The poster said the first round would drop into the magazine and the second would therefore cause a jam.
A CRF won't, he said.
I'll have to try this.
21 October 2004, 16:32
trapmonkeyWell said Kurtc,
I totally agree. I have shot push feed 300 that smacks everything it meets, but have had exactly that same problem with two shells being loaded/double feed jam! in a rush while advancing on a downed animal. Not the most confidence building experience.
Push feeds are fine on many applications, but for stuff that may cost a lot of money in lost animals and for stuff that may trample, claw or gore you, CRF or a good double is possibly the only answer.
cheers. tm
21 October 2004, 17:04
KurtCToday's snipers also carry automatic arms as their CQB weapons, and are instantly backed up with radios, gunships and armor.
When snipers walked into combat, carrying their bolt action as their one and only arm, it was a CRF.
21 October 2004, 16:52
KurtCRIP,
The sad part is that nearly every manufacturer in Europe made 98 pattern rifles at one time or another:
Commercial rifles have been made by Mauser, Brno, Steyr, Sako, Fabrique Nationale, Husqvarna, Heym, Parker Hale, BSA, Zastava, Voere....I'm sure I've left some out.
Military actions have been made by countries in South America, Central America, Persia and Asia.
The bottom line is that everyone knows how to build a rifle properly, but market competition and lower consumer standards have forced these very same manufacturers to resort to "well crafted examples of piss-poor designs."
I find it amusing when a manufacturer describes their creation as being "mauser type." I guess they figure every 2-lug turnbolt can trace it roots back to the Mauser brothers. They are more correct than they probably realize, since Mauser made push-feeds for 30 years prior to the model 1893.
Sorry for the rant.
21 October 2004, 16:59
AxterOK, let me throw a little gas on this fire
. Dont the military use push feed (Remington 700s I believe) for snipers. Also, I believe LE uses a 700 rem for swat teams. These are life and death situations also. Now, dont beat up on me too bad here I"m just stirring the pot. Truth be told, I think crf are class acts...