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I have a left handed stag with hart heavy barrel, magpul stock (may be the problem) but have a hell of a time finding the right scope with right field of view, eye relief, etc. This rifle is a tack driver and I had a Leupold 8.5x24 VX III on it. When I tried to get down on the rifle quickly to shoot it was just very hard to ever get the right quick sight picture in the scope so I got rid of the scope and now need to replace it. As it is a rifle capable of 500-600 yds and I initially built it for praire dogs, etc. I want something with power yet something that does not take forever to make target acquistion. It may be the way my face goes to the stock, etc. or stock length as well. Just interested in all opinions on what I should do. I am not limited to 1" or 30mm and can do either. By the way, it is a flat top with Picatinny rail. Thanks for reading and input.

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If it's a varmint rifle, get rid of the MagPul in favor of a standard stock. The smaller/lighter a scope you can use the easier will be acquisition.
Something with a 1" tube and 40mm objective.
If you must have a variable 6-24x40 Leupold would work. If you can live with a fixed power, the wonderful old Unertl Vulture 10x43 is a low mass scope whose optics take a backseat to no one.
(The military version is still serving !)

When my DPMS "AR-10" wore 4 uppers (16" door kicker, 260, 308, 300 SAUM LRs). All the LRs were used with a Schmidt 4-16. Trouble was they were 11-13 pounds all up. Kept the door kicker and the Schmidt, sold the rest. The door kicker now wears a 6X Kalinka (Russian) military scope with a 600 yard Dragunov illuminated reticle. As well as a scope you could also pound in tent stakes with it or use it to club baby seals. Perfect for its intended purpose, which is not varmint hunting (except the human variety).
I'd lay most of your problems to the stock and (perhaps) the wrong bipod.

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Bear, I usually put a riser on top of the receiver, then the rings on top of that. Brings the scope up to eye level without using very tall rings, and where you mount it on the receiver can give you more latitude in the forward/backward positioning of the scope.
 
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"Very Tall" quality rings, like Warne are better than a riser and then rings as that reduces the potential things to loosen up. Used Warnes on my DPMS 300 SAUM with a 4-16 Schmidt (a heavy scope) and never had any issues.
 
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I use Leupold Mark 4 super high rings to get a proper sight picture.
 
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I have evry thing from 3x9s to 6x24s on my Pdog guns the most useful are the 4x12s and 4x16s and 4.5x14.

Only time I like the 4x24s is load testing and siteing in. I do a lot of pd dog shooting in the 10 to 12x range.
 
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To add a twist to the question...I have a Rock River LAR 15 with a tactical mount. Is the mount too high to add rings and a 3x9 or 3.5x10?
 
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Does anyone have experience with the Nikon M308? I have an LAR-8 to set up. Thanks.
 
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Personally buy a leupold VXII or above the extra money is worth in in the long run.
 
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I use Leupold Mark 4 super high rings to get a proper sight picture.


I think this might be the answer to your problem, higher rings...


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I hate to tell you this, but I would recommend a Nightforce 2.5 x 10 which is a 30mm tube and very compact, perfect for a flat top. Mount it with one piece Larue tactical base since cost is no object, right?

Cost will be $1400-1600 depending on mil or 1/4 minute adjustments and zero stop turrets.

Even at reasonable priced places like Optics Planet.

I sucked it up and got one for my LaRue tactical OBR. My objective was to have enough field of view to shoot a bad guy at front door and a coyote at 350 yards.
 
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Andy

That is a hard scope to beat, especially with the correct velocity ranging reticle.


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I use Leupold Mark 4 super high rings to get a proper sight picture.


I think this might be the answer to your problem, higher rings...

That is what I was thinking as well.

I have a few different set ups. None of them the same, but the Burris PEPR mount works well for me, I like the AR one piece picatinny mounts. Lots of them on the market.
 
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The LaRue SPR mount is far and away the nicest AR scope mount available.
 
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