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Pissing contest aside, there's no up or downside about any of them to exclude it as a possibilty. I have a 458 SOCOM for most of the reasons above. If I had bought a Beowulf or Bushmaster first, I'd probably be as happy. But putting the money into an AR-10 platform and still being limited to bullets with the BC of a pumpkin wouldn't make sense to me. A rifle of that capability ought to be able to reach out and touch something without having to aim at the moon. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I can shoot 300 gr bullets 1950-2000 fps if I push it. Are you saying your buddy has a 45 caliber cartridge that hits 3900-4000 fps from a 460 S&W case?!? Is his name David Blaine? "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I have adjustable gas valves on my all my AR's and I can tune the ejection to where they don't fly far at all. Remember I'm not in a war so don't have to worry if one doesn't quite eject, nor am I hunting big dangerous game with them. I had a MAS 49/56 rifle that I made a gas valve for and I could get it eject just about on my shooting bench. Mine really aren't throwing the brass any further then a side ejection lever action or a good brisk working of the bolt on bolt actions. Now my semi auto pistols are a different story. The 1911's not as bad at the other brands. My Tokarev forget the brass there. | |||
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Baised on my personal experience you will lose a lot of your brass with a semi auto... So lets assume you will loose all of it... How many pigs will you shoot on average in a year. Lets say 10 a month, that is 120 a year, what if you shoot 300 pigs in a year, and loose all of your brass... You probably spend more money on Toilet paper... BIG deal. That is one of the disadvantages of using a semi auto. Balance that with the advantages of using a semi auto and make a decision. PS, I hate to loose my brass, but with a semi auto, it is going to happen. I do not worry about it. DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Smokinj, Starline sells Beowulf brass, I wasn't aware of any of the cartridges design flaws you mention, though they may be true. I have shot over a thousand rounds through mine. Two 500 round boxes of rainer 334 grain for practice/plinking, the Sierras for hunting. The loads are most accurate at book max. I have been very happy with the Beowulfs accuracy and terminal performance. I limit my shots to 125 yards. Early on It had some feeding problems. They were taken care of with a little tweaking. It has been a very reliable rifle for me, and everyone that shoots it wants one. Though if your not a reloader, it doesn't make a lot of sense. | |||
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Getting a little bit away form the OP's question, what large bore cartridge would fit in the 308 sized AR??? Including a new "wild cat"??? And for most deer and hog hunting, what advantages would it have over a 450 Bushmaster, in the 223 sized AR? Its main disadvantage is that a 223 sized AR is light small and very handy. The 308 AR's are heavy and bulky, almost ungainly IMHO... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Other then original light sporter barreled AR 15's all AR15 with heavy barrels are just as heavy or heavier then many AR 10's. I just built an AR 10 with a 20 stainless heavy barrel with an A2 stock, and with the scope, rings, and magazine it weights between 10.5 and 11 pounds. My Colt preban HBAR with scope weight 10.5. I have heavy barreled 6x45 and 6.5 Grendel that weigh more. Only thing I agree with is that they are slightly bulkier unless you use premium billet receivers such as I did. DPMS LAR 10 receivers are really bulky. At any rate compare them to say a Finn 39 or an Egyptian Hakeem. Those two are fence posts. | |||
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Exactly, so for a deer and pig "AR", a 450 Bushmaster with a 16" barrel is all a fella needs... IF you are going with a 308 sized AR, then just use a 308... And get the advantages of the 308, for 300 yards plus... DOUBLE RIFLE SHOOTERS SOCIETY | |||
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Agreed. Why put up with the extra size only to shoot another 100-150 yd round? I don't think anything you can find in a bigger bore AR-10 will have the versatility of the 308. If you just have to go that way, get a 308 and then a second upper in the big bore of yoour choice. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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For those of you that don't believe you can have a potent caliber in an AR without excessive weight and size: http://olyarms.com/index.php?p..._virtuemart&Itemid=5 Weight 7.5 pounds and look at the calibers: 300 OSSM (sort of a 300 Win short mag) 243 WSSM, and 25 WSSM. I'm sure that is could be rebarreled to many other potent rounds too. | |||
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