Reason being, I tried another Hoyt, in Magna-tec form this time, and I thought it was kind of a harsh shooting bow compared to my SQ2, of course the price was a bit less, but none the less, it has the same limbs as some of they're higher priced bows, I really can't see how Hoyt can say this "NEW" technology is the cat's ass, I've got nothing against Hoyt, they just don't compare to a Mathews, I highly suggest to everyone who is thinking of getting a new bow to compare both brands, although I know there are alot of die-hard Hoyt folks out there who wouldn't even think of picking up a Mathews, course then they'd want one, and shooting the two would bring about outbursts like, what's a Hoyt? And, Ummmm, I'll take the Mathews, thank you very much. I'm thinking Hoyt should go back to they're one cam bows and copy Mathews as much as they can, I'm sorry, but thats the cold hard facts from where I'm standing, so can any of you Hoyt people honestly tell me your Cam & 1/2 felt better than the Mathews you tried? Thats what I thought, Jay

Jay,

I personally dont like the feel or draw of the Mathews. I cant comment on the Hoyt cam 1/2 however, I do know that Hoyt signed into an agreement with Darton Archery to allow them to use Dartons technology in the cam 1/2. I have shot some of the Darton C/P/S/ bows and am quite impressed with their shootability, speed , and forgivness.If I didnt love my old Darton Wrangler so much , I would definately buy one of the new Darton C/P/S/ bows.
Just my $0.02
Fordfreak

Fordfreak -
We agree on this big time. Mathews shooters are like the UBP ( united bowhunters of pa ). They are fine until you disagree with them and then they scream and yell until you agree . Mathews is just a Chevy while Darton, Bowtech, and even Hoyt have very nice high end Bows. I have a Hurricane and a Maverick and love them both. The Maverick has The CPS and the Hurricane is a twin Hatchet cam.
These bows are my range bragging bows and are kept locked when not in use.

All this being said I still hunt with my PSE boys .

Back To The Stove
Turtle

Turtle, Don't you like your "chevy" MQ-32 anymore? I'd put Mathews bows in the Mercedes class, myself. I've shot a PSE bow awhile back, again, not a very smooth bow, but they are cheaper class of bow, albiet, a bow that gets the job done, nothing wrong with that, but again, not a bow that compares with the Mathews, sure you pay a bit more for a Mathews than a PSE, but worth it. Brother-in-law had 3 PSEs, then he shot an SQ2 like mine, instant sale. I guess the only thing about my Mathews I don't like, and it's minor, is if I happen to let up on the pull a bit, which is only if I start getting tired, there isn't much of a 'valley' I think it's called where the bow just want s 'GO', so I have to watch that I don't let my 'pull' creep forward. I'm not sure what Fordfreak meant by the 'feel' of a Mathews, the grip, balance, what? Of the bows I've held, shot, what have you, the Mathews, Parkers, and Bears had some of the best grips I've seen, I apoligize to any PSE owners if I offended you by saying PSEs are cheap, they do a fine job for the intended purpose, they're just not a Mathews, shoot one and you'll buy it. Jay

Jay, I agree with you 100% on the Mathews. I also dont want to alienate any other of our bowhunting brothers but I also have had a few other brands infact I used to be a DIEHARD PSE fan. I have owned 7 PSE bow in the past, Thunderflite Exp., G-Force, Baby-G, Inferno Maxis, Mach 6, Mach 8, last but not least a CarbonLite and one thing they all had and it is what made me switch was the fact that my $200 Thunderflite had the same limb as my $1400 CarbonLite. Now what is up with that!!!!! I have also had 2 hoyts and liked them both and if for some reason I couldnt get my hands on a Mathews Id be shooting a Hoyt and it would probly be a Cam and a 1/2 even though it is nothing but a 2 cam bow and needs to be timed to shoot consistantly. I wont even get into the Darton thing again. Ive never owned one and maybe that is why I dont like them but the way I see it and it is no different than any other product on the market today is that Darton is not even in the top 3 as far as bows sold and if they were soooo great they would be one of the top due to the fact that the price of a Darton is lower than any of the top sellers today. So from a consumer standpoint if they are one of the #1 quality bows for the money why are not one of the top 3 manufactures out there??? You Darton lovers tell me why Hoyt and Mathews are so popular? Alot of people say it is becouse of their aggressive advertising but advertising doesnt really have a huge effect on return buyers but most ad impact is on new buyers and advertising doesnt have any contribution to customer loyalty. Mathews and Hoyt buyer 8 out of 10 times will buy another of the same brand and I know becouse I see it all the time working in a pro shop. I see alot of Mathews and Hoyt buyers say their buying the lastest even before it has hit the shops and will even sometimes put cash down without even shooting the bows, I have! I mean if you buy a new Ford and you have a ton of trouble with it and a buddy of yours buys the same truck as you and he has trouble with it also, then people that know you and hang around both of you are probly not going shopping at the local Ford dealership for a new truck and vise versa. The same has happened with Mathews and Hoyt!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CUSTOMER SATISFACTION BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ 10-11-2003, 02:34: Message edited by: chuckduster ]

Jay,

I DID shoot a Mathews, a Q2XL to be exact. Very nice bow. But then I shot my Darton Rampage, and to me the decision ended there. The Mathews might have been "finished" more nicely than the Darton, but it didn't feel as smooth to me. I chose the Darton.

Chuckduster, you really need to work on sentence structure (try an occasional period to end run-on sentences) and keep loving your Mathews. You are most welcome to be part of the sheeple crowd that has to "fit in" to be popular. Good for you. I've found that those folks that buy Darton bows are also VERY loyal as well. I really don't care if Mathews and Hoyt are #1 and #2 in the industry, an archer should shoot what works for THEM. Get off your high horse. Nothing I love more than taking my piss poor Darton on the 3D range with a Mathews mouth. I generally find that the extra money they paid has NOT made them a better shot.

Joe

JFK, Why do you take things so personal? Now you have resort to personal attacks? Come on if you dont like the way I write my posts dont read or reply to them. You didnt hear me say anything like " You dont shoot a Mathews becouse you cant afford one " did you? You need to not let us Mathews perfectionists bother you so much that you feel you have to prove yourself at the range instead of in the woods where it matters. I really enjoy getting a rise out of you guys over this stuff becouse you take everything so personal. Besides who gives a rats ass if you can shoot on the range. You need to spend ALOT more time in a tree relaxing and mastering the art of bowhunting. Making the shot count in the real world is what matters not how well you shoot on the range. REMEMBER THAT!!!!!!!!!

[ 10-12-2003, 01:07: Message edited by: chuckduster ]

I am totally with JFK on this one. I was looking for a bow 2 years ago and tried just about every bow out there. I thought that I wanted a Hoyt vortec but I knew I had to try all the brands I could get my hands on to be sure that I got the best bow out there Regardless of price.

Well after trying mathews hoyt martin and many others I tried the Darton Maverick and that is where it ended. Hoyt or Mathews could not come close to the Darton. Mathews was way too harsh of a draw If I remember right it was the sq2. Didn't like it at all. Then the hoyt I did like it but after shooting it and the Darton Maverick for an hour or so I just had to have the Darton. The Grip was way better to me than the hoyt or mathews.

So for me it was and still is Darton #1 hoyt #2 and mathews oh well I don't know but I do know as of now I wont own one. Just my opinion. I wouldn't say you couldn't give me a mathews as I would sell it and get another Darton.

Brian

Brian

Brian, Your absolutely correct in that if you like them then shoot what you like and what works for you. I just like to get these guys worked up when I hear them say things like " I only get my Darton out when it comes to 3D and I have a Mathews shooter to blow away otherwise I keep it locked up" or somethime to that effect. I guess they really dont relize they sound just like us Mathews shooters. HAHA Have a good one and shoot straight. Hope you have a great season.

[ 10-12-2003, 07:04: Message edited by: chuckduster ]

Brian, I've got an SQ2, and think it's a very smooth bow, if you think the SQ2 is harsh, and I don't know how you can, but that's your judgment call, you should try a Browning Eclipse, one shot and it's instant paralysis, I can shoot over 60 arrows a day and have no problems/complaints about a harsh shooting bow, the only thing I notice is a little string noise once in awhile, Jay

Guys I am just stating what my opinion was. I know that Mathews and hoyt are top bows. If anyone said otherwise they are nuts. Actually most bows made today are of very good quality IMHO. When I was trying all the bows out there it was just what I liked best. I just really liked the smooth draw of my Darton over the rest of the other bows. I am not here to put any bow down as I know we all favor our own particular bows, and why not!!! I just feel my Darton is the best for me. Yes me, maybe not for you but for me its was the best out there at that time.

Mine might not be the quietest of the bunch but it is very smooth. I just put simms products on and it is a great bow.

So I am not here to beat any others bow down but just state what one person says is great might not be great for another. Just look at what or how I felt about the Mathews bow I really didn't like the draw or feel of it. Now I would be NUTS to say that Mathews doesn't make a great bow, they do and tons of people can vouch for it. I mean a top bow doesn't become that way for no reason. It is just that one person likes the feel of one over another.

Have a great season. Hope all your arrows fly true and get double lungs.

Brian

445 supermag, great reply. That was my point as well, although chuckduster didn't take it that way. I never put down any brand of bow, as I think the products on the market today are better than ever, and all the brands have great bows available. I just think that an archer needs to shoot what feels good to them, regardless of brand. I don't bring out my Darton to shoot 3D and blow away a Mathews shooter as was stated and then lock it away. I shoot my Darton ALL the time....it's my only bow and I have absolute confidence in it. I shoot 3D, 5 spot and hunt with it. As I said in my original post, I really liked the Q2XL as well. I thought the Rampage drew more smoothly and I liked the wider handle....I have large hands and it fit better. I thought the Q2XL was quieter...but a little too narrow in the grip area. I thought I would like the Hoyts...I was thinking Ultratec when I went into the shop, but the tec riser just didn't feel good to ME. I shot all three and went with the Darton. I have nothing at all against other brands of bows. For me, for now though, it's the Darton all the way.

Joe

To answer your question, YES, my Hoyt Razortec is better than the Mathews LX & Legacy that I shot right before buying the Hoyt.
It's smoother on the draw, less vibration at the shot and makes less noise. More accurate, and easyer to shoot.
I'm glad your happy with your Mathews, please don't send me a PM wanting to trade, it aint going to happen !

Anaconda, Don't have to worry about that, I shot the Hoyt and wasn't impressed, crappy grip, etc.etc. And that's also funny you say the things you said about the LX, cause it was rated the best treestandhunting bow by the same magazine, which of course alot of people don't take any credence in magazines and the articles therein, but nonetheless, alot of people I've talked to really like the LX over the Hoyt, best bow they've ever shot, barnone, Jay

[ 10-15-2003, 06:40: Message edited by: Jay Gorski ]

Like I said the Hoyt Cam 1/2 is a nice TWO cam bow and Id buy one if Mathews went out of business but we all know that wont be happening. My bow preferances would go Mathews,Hoyt,Parker and a Black Widow Recurve if I couldnt get any of the above.

I wonder how many full page adds Mathews paid for in that magazine ?
I shot a LX, and it was a very nice bow. But after shooting the Razortec, I was sold. I also shot a Bow Tech VFT, and it was a good bow. but neather the LX or the VFT could compare the the Razor in my hands, and that's what it comes down to, if the same bow felt the best to everybody, then there would only be one bow Co.
Fact is, different people like different bows.
I just get tired of Mathews trying to say how bad Hoyt cam & 1/2s shoot after they they (Mathews)tweek them way out of tune. I wonder how a Mathews would shoot if you turned the cam 180% ?
If Hoyt didn't produce a very compedative bow, them Mathews wouldn't be spending a mint on advertising aimed directly at Hoyt, would they ?
I gess if I hunted from a tree stand, I wouldn't mind a bow that weighs well over four Lbs.
( Don't worry, if you buy a Hoyt next year, I won't tease you )

Yes I can say it is better. I have a havoctec versa cam not the cam and 1/2. I do not like the FAT mathews grip. I shot this hoyt better. So yes it is better for me... not every one though. I shot a very nice buck with mine on thruday night.

What ever you are confident with . I think that is more a factor than other things. I am confident shooting my Hoyt. By the way I was a long time Hoyt fan. I bought the Mathews LX with a no B.S. 1 week trial. I shot it and did not like the grip and overall feel. The hoyt has a very slim grip which suits me better.


It boils down to the ford chevy thing

which by the way my Ford super duty will out pull your brand x

When I went to the shop where I bought my Mathews from, I was asking the owner about the cam & 1/2 thing that Hoyt has out now, and he told me he has one in the Razor-tec model, I knew he used to have a Q2, and inquired why did you get rid of it, he didn't really say from what I remember, but said his Q2 was the best shooting bow he ever shot, so I left scratching my head, then while I was thinking why he went to a Hoyt when he was shooting the best bow he ever shot, I'm thinking, I bet Hoyt gave him that bow, and a little extra on the side to say that Mathews shot themselves in the foot with their ads, otherwise, why would one go from the best shooting bow he ever shot(Q2), to a Hoyt Cam & 1/2

And, I believe Hoyt was the one who stated in the magazines, that you could purposely put a cam & 1/2 out of tune, and it would still hit the same poi, Chuckduster's crew at his shop have tested this and found that to be FALSE, as did Mathews find it to be a false statement, also. Mathews is just protecting their business by uncovering false accusations of the One-cam bows by Hoyt. Remember, Hoyt started all this Hoopla, not Mathews, Jay

Jay, Your right Hoyt made wrong statements about the cam saying it could be shot out of time which is just not true. We really didnt have to put it out of time too far to change the way it shot. I would buy a Hoyt cam and 1/2 anytime and I may as a back up bow and I may buy a Saphire for my kid to shoot next year. I DO like Hoyt bows and probly always will due to the fact they are smooth and the quality is great but for now I like the feel of my Legacy. I was only stating Hoyts claim about the new cam is wrong. Im sure Mathews can at some point be found guilty of over stating the benefits of their bows also.

Anaconda, Your right Mathews did through the timing out on the Hoyt but Hoyt claimed you could do that and it would not change the performance of the bow and Mathews never made a claim that their bow can be shoot with the cam turned 180. It all boils down to the claims be made that is all. Like I said in the above post Id buy a Hoyt in a heart beat and will always feel Hoyt put out a good product.

Hey Jay,
go to "Archerytalk.com"
"General archery discussion'
and click on the thred called "Shot a Razortec today"
It's by a confirmed Mathews shooter/Hoyt hater who went to his local pro shop, and after the owner bugged him, he agreed to shoot a Hoyt Razortec. Needless to say, he sold his Mathews, and you gessed it, bought a Razortec.