First off, this is not intended to toss Dirt on anyones Bow, nor imply the Bow you are using is inferior to this one.
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Back around the beginning of December, I picked up a 2011 Mission Craze at my local Gun/Bow Shop. Adjustable weight from 17#-70# and an adjustable Draw Length of 19"-30" with an 80% Let-Off. No Bow Press is needed to make either adjustment.

Took a Center Punch and put a Witness mark on each Weight Adjustment Bolt so I would be positive about moving them the exact same amount. Called Mission and Customer Service said I can make 10-turns on the Draw Weight Bolts without them coming out of the Bow. I'm currently practicing right at a 48# DW.

Tim tossed in a Non-Firing Release(used in the Shop to prevent Dry Firing), with a Hook on the end rather than the Release Clamps. That way I could practice my Draw over the Winter indoors, with no chance of an accidental Dry Fire. That has worked just great and allowed my ancient muscles to adjust to the new exercise.

Realized fairly quickly that I needed a Sight or I was wasting my time trying to develop any Muscle Memory Stability. After a lot of excellent input from folks here and talking to some buddies, I ended up with a Trophy Ridge Firewire V-3 Sight. It has 3-Verticle Pins, it is adjustable in all three Axis, wasn't overly expensive and has amazingly Bright Pins. Bolted it on and began re-practicing the Draw.

Meanwhile I began studying up on Arrow Rests. Eventually decided on the NAP Quick-Tune Flipper. Got it bolted on and it looked fine. But, I noticed in the NAP ads that they mentioned it had a "Magnetic Hold" to keep it in the upright position until the shot. Looked mine over and couldn't figure out where it was. Called NAP and discussed it with their Customer Service. He said to send it to him and he would replace it with a NAP Freedom Rest which indeed has the Magnetic Feature. Mine was apparently a very early Model and they had made a Revision Change to add the Magnet. Got it in the mail and the new one arrived in about a week. It does have the Magnetic Feature and no need for a Trip String. Kept practicing the Draw and Hold while Aiming out the window.

I followed the Installation Instructions for the NAP Freedom Rest and adjusted the D-Loop about 1-Arrow width above the CenterLine to the Rest. Looked it over and just eyeballed the Rest Left/Right. Also eyeballed the Sight into what appeared to be close alignment with where the Arrow was pointing. And adjusted the 3rd Axis with a Level and Line on the wall.

Found Carbon Express Arrows "On Sale" at Wal-Mart as soon as Bow Season Closed. Plus Target Tips. And found a real nice 24"x24"x18" Stacked Foam Target at Dicks "On Sale" too.

Sooooo....., I FINALLY got around to shooting the Mission Craze and I found it difficult to believe how well it shot and how quiet it is. First shot ever fired was a bit high from about 4yds. Didn't measure the distance at first, just wanted to hit the Target. Next two were 11/16" apart. Backed up to 8yds and one more a bit high as I was focused on listening. Next three could be grasped inside my Thumb and Trigger Finger with the fingers touching each other.

Now I'm shooting at 20yds and have to pick separate Aiming Points for each shot so as not to tear-up Arrows. Only additional Adjustment that has been made was to Raise the Sight a bit(to Lower the Impact), no other Tuning has been needed. When I look at the Arrows in the Target, all I see are the Nocks and Vanes, none of the Shaft is visible from 20yds. At the Target, they are 90deg to the surface.

Don't have a Peep installed yet, just using some "White" Sewing Thread I served onto the Bow String as an Aiming Point. I use the bottom edge of the White Thread to align with the Sight Pin. And I use my Right Thumb at the junction of my Ear and Head for shot-to-shot placement consistency.

The Mission Craze is amazingly "Quiet", no String Twang, no noise from the Drop Away NAP Freedom Rest, just the Loud THWACK as the Arrow impacts the Target. The Draw is amazingly smooooth and I feel ZERO Vibration during the Shot, no stinkin Stabilizer, hanging out in the way, is needed.
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If you have a chance the next time you visit your Bow Shop - try one and tell me how it compares to your Bow.

Wow.....Hotsh$t..... you're pulling 48lbs. and shooting at 4 yards, a regular Fred Bear. I can't figure out if you're a fool or an idiot but its tending toward the fool for now.

I'm waiting for your dissertations on bow hunting and pontificating about the superiority of your opinions, again backed up with zero experience. Wait a second.......that never stopped the diarrhea of your mouth before.

Go back to the firearms forums you're not wanted here. Leave this forums before you spread rcamuglia all over it.

This forum is for bow hunters.

Cut him some slack we all were new to archery at some point an wished to be able to talk some trash with other shooters. He'll look back at this post in a year or two an see it for what it is.
Hot Core if you have any questions feel free to ask an don't feel stupid doing so. ... 50 years ago I was in the same boat and there was no one to ask, no pro shop, no other archers in town, just no body or nothing but what I could find in outdoor mags...even alot of the bowhunting mags around today weren't being published yet. I can still recall needing to send to California for my first dozen of Micro Flite fiberglass arrows an they cost $17 with shipping...they were a huge step up from the Port Oxford cedars I was shooting and when I lost one or broke it I was sick.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Wow.....Hotsh$t..... you're pulling 48lbs. and shooting at 4 yards, a regular Fred Bear. I can't figure out if you're a fool or an idiot but its tending toward the fool for now.

I'm waiting for your dissertations on bow hunting and pontificating about the superiority of your opinions, again backed up with zero experience. Wait a second.......that never stopped the diarrhea of your mouth before.

Go back to the firearms forums you're not wanted here. Leave this forums before you spread rcamuglia all over it.

This forum is for bow hunters.

I need to save this so it CAN NOT be erased.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Wow.....Hotsh$t..... you're pulling 48lbs. and shooting at 4 yards, a regular Fred Bear. I can't figure out if you're a fool or an idiot but its tending toward the fool for now.

I'm waiting for your dissertations on bow hunting and pontificating about the superiority of your opinions, again backed up with zero experience. Wait a second.......that never stopped the diarrhea of your mouth before.

Go back to the firearms forums you're not wanted here. Leave this forums before you spread rcamuglia all over it.

This forum is for bow hunters.

I need to save this so it CAN NOT be erased.

Please do and read it each time you feel like posting here. Move on.

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Wow.....Hotsh$t..... you're pulling 48lbs. and shooting at 4 yards, a regular Fred Bear. I can't figure out if you're a fool or an idiot but its tending toward the fool for now.

I'm waiting for your dissertations on bow hunting and pontificating about the superiority of your opinions, again backed up with zero experience. Wait a second.......that never stopped the diarrhea of your mouth before.

Go back to the firearms forums you're not wanted here. Leave this forums before you spread rcamuglia all over it.

This forum is for bow hunters.

Anyone who told you to be yourself simply couldn't have given you worse advice...

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Originally posted by Robert Wilde:

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:
Wow.....Hotsh$t..... you're pulling 48lbs. and shooting at 4 yards, a regular Fred Bear. I can't figure out if you're a fool or an idiot but its tending toward the fool for now.

I'm waiting for your dissertations on bow hunting and pontificating about the superiority of your opinions, again backed up with zero experience. Wait a second.......that never stopped the diarrhea of your mouth before.

Go back to the firearms forums you're not wanted here. Leave this forums before you spread rcamuglia all over it.

This forum is for bow hunters.

Anyone who told you to be yourself simply couldn't have given you worse advice...

If he's being himself he's acting like an asshole.

Those two got into a tissy last year and still havn't put down the shovel.

Oh how strong the Brotherhood of archers is!
Isn't anyone else other than me getting physced for the coming fall? I've hunted in one form or the other for nearly 55 years now and it swear I get the bug to hunt something with my bow just as strong today as I did when I got started shooting groundhogs and pigeons around the barn as a kid.

doc i can't freaking wait for september to get here. we get the early doe season here in northern VA and i need to be in the woods bad. after some minor difficulties with my bow a couple months ago, i'm back in business and slinging arrows as good as ever.

i dont know what the pissing match with tc and hot core was, but really, we all start somewhere. the man is obv proud of his purchase, and proud of his shooting ability for a beginning archer. congratulations on getting into the sport, please feel free to ask all the questions you want. and hopefully post some pics of the deer you kill this year. right here, in the bowhunting forum.

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Originally posted by 2th doc:
Cut him some slack we all were new to archery at some point an wished to be able to talk some trash with other shooters. He'll look back at this post in a year or two an see it for what it is.
Hot Core if you have any questions feel free to ask ...

What was wrong with the report? Did I leave something out?

I had a Martin Lynx in `77-`78 and it was pretty nice for back then, but in no way compares to the Craze. I think it was 62# but the guy I sold it to thinks it was 65#. Shot it for those two years, read-up on how Bows actually Kill, talked to other archers, but never took the Martin Hunting. Some of the youngsters that went with us took their Bows Hunting and they did right well from the proper Stands.

Hunted year around there due to Depredation Permits and just used rifles, shotguns and revolvers. Don't know if I'll ever take the Craze Hunting, but it sure is a lot of fun to shoot.

Also enjoying the excellent PVC Bow, but for some reason it is not quite as accurate as the Craze.

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Those two got into a tissy last year and still havn't put down the shovel.

Hey Ted, Where "in this thread" have I said anything about the fool.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by 2th doc:
Cut him some slack we all were new to archery at some point an wished to be able to talk some trash with other shooters. He'll look back at this post in a year or two an see it for what it is.
Hot Core if you have any questions feel free to ask ...

What was wrong with the report? Did I leave something out?

I had a Martin Lynx in `77-`78 and it was pretty nice for back then, but in no way compares to the Craze. I think it was 62# but the guy I sold it to thinks it was 65#. Shot it for those two years, read-up on how Bows actually Kill, talked to other archers, but never took the Martin Hunting. Some of the youngsters that went with us took their Bows Hunting and they did right well from the proper Stands.

Hunted year around there due to Depredation Permits and just used rifles, shotguns and revolvers. Don't know if I'll ever take the Craze Hunting, but it sure is a lot of fun to shoot.

Also enjoying the excellent PVC Bow, but for some reason it is not quite as accurate as the Craze.

Hot Core I no interest at all in what's going on between you two guys but as you asked for my input on your Craze report I will only comment on the post in general. An in general your report read, to me, as someone whom is fairly new to archery and did his best to do a write up on his learning curve with the new bow he bought.
What gave me that impression? A few things such as you bought arrows at Walmart (read that off the shelf) Any make shaft needs to be matched by much more than spine and lenght. Details such as the type of shooting rest your bow has determines the type fletching you need as well as the degree of helical to that fletching. Are you using a drop away rest or shoot thru? Another comment you made about not needing a stablizerbecause your Craze has no vibration is a glaring example of someone whom has recently taken up the sport. ALL bows have vibration at the shot but that is not the sole reason for using a stabilizer. Factors you ommited from your report were are you using a wrist strap or not and if you aren't why aren't you? An if you're using that wrist strap the stabilizer does just that balances and stabilizes your bow. The wrist strap an it's proper usage forces you to not torgue your bow (the amount of force you put on the bow by gripping it too tight.
Just those two items alone speak volumes about your post. BUT heck I'm not being critical nor looking to be argumentivejust replying to your request about your original post. I enjoy archery shooting an hunting an welcome anyone whom has even a passing interest in the sport. So welcome aboard and ask any questions you may have. Doc

Hey 2th Doc, Really appreciate the input. Your assessment is fairly accurate, it has been a loooooong time since I've shot a Bow. And I agree I'm in the full Rookie mode with both Bows I'm messing with.

The good old Carbon Express arrows from Wal-Mart do seem to be shooting pretty good for me with 125gr Practice Tips. When I shoot, the arrow is impacting straight as can be and seem to hit where the Sight was pointing at the release. Got some 100gr tips yesterday to try on the PVC Bow to see if that will help it any.

Don't have a Peep on the Craze yet, just wrapped some White Thread around the Bow String and I align with the bottom of it on the Left side of the string each time. Plan to get a Peep the next time I go to the Shop - maybe. As long as it is shooting this good I see no need for it.

Do indeed have a Bow Sling around my Bow Hand on the Craze. I did not have one 30+ years ago and it sure is nice. I understand what you mentioned about the Torque and don't even need an Arm Guard. Do not have a Bow Sling on the PVC Bow and had the Bow take off twice on me. Been thinking about making one for it, but I don't want it too fancy.

I still do not see the need for the Stabilizer, the Craze sure shoots smooooooth for me. Only sound I hear at the release, is the arrow "Thwacking" the Target and don't feel any vibration.

I've read over at Archery Talk about all the time, effort, special Bow Strings, tip weights, different shafts, spine, cut to xx.x4" foc, etc., and perhaps that is really necessary. For some reason, the El Cheapo Carbon Express arrows are doing fine for me though. Thought about getting some Aluminum arrows until I saw the cost. That won't be happening for me as I'm primarily in it for pure fun.

Have you had a chance to shoot a Craze?

yes I've shot a Craze a few times an found it to be a fine medicore bow...no great not bad.
Most carbon arrows are twice the cost of aluminum. The entire concept of the over draw/proper shaft lenght/ 2" fletching..etc is SPEED. You'll get more speed if your shaft is cut to your proper drawn lenght..the speed will make the shaft fly fast, flying fast means less arc in the shot, less arc means more accuracy at longer ranges...etc. etc
BUT DO NOT ATTEMPT TO CUT YOUR CARBON ARROWS LIKE YOU COULD A WOOD OR ALUMINUM!! You need a high speed saw to cut carbon or they'll splinter on your bow while drawing and do alot of damage to you or others...also never try to shot a nicked up carbon arrow or one you killed a game animal with a second time for the same reason.

I understand about the Carbon Arrows.

What is "mediocre" on the Craze you shot? Price?

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Those two got into a tissy last year and still havn't put down the shovel.

Hey Ted, Where "in this thread" have I said anything about the fool.

Not a trace of you acting like your past self can be found on this thread....good job.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
I understand about the Carbon Arrows.

What is "mediocre" on the Craze you shot? Price?

I owned an archery pro shop for several years dealt with Mathews an not a fan of them..... not their marketing, but they do produce a decent bow as do several companies for the same money..a few companies produce a better product that retail for less...someone must pay for all the hype and guess who that is?

Thats why I shoot a Quest...great bow, less $$$

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Originally posted by ted thorn:

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Originally posted by Hot Core:

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Originally posted by ted thorn:
Those two got into a tissy last year and still havn't put down the shovel.

Hey Ted, Where "in this thread" have I said anything about the fool.

Not a trace of you acting like your past self can be found on this thread....good job.

Take a gander over at the reloading forums to see how Hotsh#t can quickly take a left turn into the sewer if you choose to disagree with his opinions, not experience because he doesn't let experience of others get in the way of his highly regarded opinions.

Just trying to save one forum from the pollution.

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If you have a chance the next time you visit your Bow Shop - try one and tell me how it compares to your Bow

Dont mean to sound condescending, but most guys who are really into bow hunting have tried a lot of the new products out there. You should go to a shop and try some other company's bow's. Most if not all of the products today are amazing, no hand shock, quiet, and really smooth. As far as price it remains to be seen, but all a guy has to do is buy a left over bow from that model year and he will save hundreds. I bought a left over Diamond Black Ice a couple of years ago and saved hundreds. The Diamond an 08' model was light years ahead of my 04' Bear TRX . The newer parallel limb bows are amazing, all of em, some are more expensive than others, just have to figure out what works for you....

At the moment I'm shooting a Bear Carnage which is another of the "upper end" of middle class bows. It performs well not outstanding but more then adaquate. IMHO alot of bows fit into this area of the price scale, Quest, BowTech, some PSE an Diamond plus several more.
Again IMHO it matters little what you shoot as long as your accurate with it, but the bow itself is only 1 part of the entire package.
I currently own no less than 25 bows everything from wooden longbows I built on up thru what was the latest rage at the time of production.

Hey 2th Doc, I missed what was "mediocre". Is there something on another Bow that makes it shoot smoother?
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Hey fgulla, Yep, I did shoot a bunch of Bows at two different Shops and there were a whole bunch of nice Bows. Perhaps this one just fit me the best.

I'm beginning to see what he meant...you will not be content until someone tells you what you want to hear...an try as you may you'll not get me to say Mathews is a superior bow to any of a dozne others...sorry but that is how I feel.

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Originally posted by 2th doc:
I'm beginning to see what he meant...you will not be content until someone tells you what you want to hear...an try as you may you'll not get me to say Mathews is a superior bow to any of a dozne others...sorry but that is how I feel.

2th doc

What you're seeing here is Angelic compared to the conversations on the reloading and small caliber forums with this clown. Wander over there or do a search on his posts in those forums to see how this clown responds to those who oppose his opinions. Pathetic.

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Originally posted by 2th doc:
I'm beginning to see what he meant...you will not be content until someone tells you what you want to hear...an try as you may you'll not get me to say Mathews is a superior bow to any of a dozne others...sorry but that is how I feel.

No, you don't understand or are as dumb as the resident Board Lier, the skirt wearing teenScum.

All I'm trying to find out is what you think is "mediocre" about the Bow??? YOU said it is "mediocre", so do you know what you are talking about or just flapping your lips in the snob mode?

Perhaps you would have better luck telling me what is "superior" on another Bow?

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Originally posted by TEANCUM:

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Originally posted by 2th doc:
I'm beginning to see what he meant...you will not be content until someone tells you what you want to hear...an try as you may you'll not get me to say Mathews is a superior bow to any of a dozne others...sorry but that is how I feel.

2th doc

What you're seeing here is Angelic compared to the conversations on the reloading and small caliber forums with this clown. Wander over there or do a search on his posts in those forums to see how this clown responds to those who oppose his opinions. Pathetic.

Teancum: I'm secure enough in my manhood to admit I jumped in too early to ask you to give him some slack. Based on his last post it looks as though you nailed it spot on. Doc

I will jump in on why I personaly wouldn't but a Craze....

I don't want a bow that short
I dont want a two cam bow
I dont like a extruded rise

Yeah Ted, but you also think a 270Win is useful on something besides coyotes.

Thanks Ted, all of your comments are dead on, it has all those Major Benefits. I can see where having a longer ATA would provide a pretty good excuse in a Stand when it bumps into the rail or a knee, or tangling in brush better as a person Hunts.

I am Rookie enough not to know why a 2-Cam Bow is a disadvantage over a single Cam and a wheel. Nor understand how an Extrusion is a disadvantage unless you just want to increase the $$$Price$$$ by machining everything from a solid bar of stock.
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So, I have found out in this thread that the fool signing-in as 2thdocee, is a blowhard, know-nothing, punk kid piece of worthless trash - just like teenScumee. Also more than likely an obummer supporter.

So I suppose you would like to talk about your love of the .270 now instead of your budding quest for archery knowledge?

Left turn made.

Why is the word Craze in red each time? When I first read the report I thought it was meant as a joke.

Craze is in Red on the Bow. No particular reason though.

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Originally posted by Hot Core:
Craze is in Red on the Bow. No particular reason though.

Hey Norton, I've accidentally Lied to you - it is NOT Red on the Bow, it is in the Mission Book.