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Forget about bows for a moment.

I would like to know what fletching you prefer to hunt with.

What arrows do you hunt with and what is your total arrow weight.

I personally enjoy hunting with 4 inch plastic vanes.

Unfortunately we have limited feather vanes available in South Africa and if you can get them they are very expensive.

On my arrow choice I have been hunting with Carbon Express Maxima Hunter 350's for the last 3 years.

They are incredibly strong and accurate.

I have also shot but not yet hunted with Trophy Ridge Crush 350 arrows.

My arrows are cut at 30 inches.

With a 125gr Slick Trick my Carbon Express arrows weigh 450gr and the Trophy Ridge Crush at 475gr.

More than enough to handle upto Cape Eland Bull...


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Actually Gerhard, I haven't bowhunted with fletching in two years now.

I shoot a Forge Woodsman bow, with a 29 inch draw shooting at 70 lbs. My arrows are also made by Forge Archery and my "fletching" is made by StarrFlight. They're called a "FOB," standing for Fletching, Only Better.

They're a plastic disk, about 1 inch in diameter, about 1/2 inch thick. They slip over the tail end of the arrow and are held in place by the slide in nock.

They do an incredible job of stabilizing an arrow and because there's less surface area from the side, the arrows are subject to less wind drift, helping me make more accurate shots on game.

Once the arrow passes through, the FOB pops off, helping me find where the animal was hit, and where to start the tracking job if necessary.

Overall, I like them very much, the only two problems I have with them is that my groups have tightened up so much that I have to shoot at 5 Spot targets to avoid shooting the FOBs off my other arrows, and I do have to use a drop away arrow rest.

I can live with that....
 
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I know FOB's.

I have played with them but unfortunately my anchor points does not allow me to shoot them effectively.


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My arrow of choice is:

PSE Carbon Force X weave 400
Cut to 31"
2" Blazers set at a full Right Helical
7" wraps
100 gr 4 Blade Mugnus Stinger Buzz cut.
Weight is 435 Grs @ 277 FPS
From a 65# Hoyt

Nothing so far has survived this combo from my bow (well ok, I've missed a couple of times).

Largest was a Alaskan Barren ground Caribou at 30 yards. Complete pass through.

How Larg of animal would you take with this combo in Africa Gerhard? <>< Marc


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My arrow of choice is:

PSE Carbon Force X weave 400
Cut to 31"
2" Blazers set at a full Right Helical
7" wraps
100 gr 4 Blade Mugnus Stinger Buzz cut.
Weight is 435 Grs @ 277 FPS
From a 65# Hoyt

Nothing so far has survived this combo from my bow (well ok, I've missed a couple of times).

Largest was a Alaskan Barren ground Caribou at 30 yards. Complete pass through.

How Larg of animal would you take with this combo in Africa Gerhard? <>< Marc


Marc,

How much helical do you get on those blazers?

I would push the draw weight up to 70# and you are set to go for up to Eland.

But as always shot placement is the secret ...


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Helical on the 2" blazers is I think 8 degs. I stand to be corrected, as I'm not positive.
I just know my fletching tool say FULL right.
Hope this helps. Thanks Marc


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Gerhard,
I'm old school, so here is some vintage info:

Easton XX75 2413 27.5"
100 gr. Muzzy 3 blade
4" Gateway feathers @ 11 degs right IIRC

I shoot this set up on both my Matthews and Parker. Both are set @ 70lbs. I guess when I finally lose/break/bend all my aluminum arrows, I'll switch to carbon. But for now it ain't broke, so I ain't fixing it.


30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
 
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Gerhard,
I'm old school, so here is some vintage info:

Easton XX75 2413 27.5"
100 gr. Muzzy 3 blade
4" Gateway feathers @ 11 degs right IIRC

I shoot this set up on both my Matthews and Parker. Both are set @ 70lbs. I guess when I finally lose/break/bend all my aluminum arrows, I'll switch to carbon. But for now it ain't broke, so I ain't fixing it.


looks still like a good setup.

You will be amazed what carbon arrows like Carbon Express will do for you.


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You will be amazed what carbon arrows like Carbon Express will do for you.[/QUOTE]

I have some Gold Tips that I bought a while back to try. I never could get them to tune up with any consistency and got frustrated so I threw them in closet.

Got to spend a few days with your fellow Infinito PH Frederik in Namibia last month. Good guy. When the bank account recovers, I'll have to give yall a call!


30+ years experience tells me that perfection hit at .264. Others are adequate but anything before or after is wishful thinking.
 
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You are welcome anytime...


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Gerhard....
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Well I am with the bow and arrow like I am with the rifle and loads. Having gotten back into this year before last I got set up at a shop where the fellas knew way more than I did about it.

My first bow was the Bowtech Tomkat which I still shoot and shoot very accurately. For it I went with some Carbon Express 6075's due to finances at the time. These were cut to 28.5" as my bow was set to a 28" draw and I liked them a bit further out with the blades on the end. I shot these until I managed to get hold of some Easton 340 FMJ's and what a difference. These I ahd cut to 29" due to it being a nice round number and giving me a tad more weight for the hogs we hunt year round.

Then last July I picked up the Admiral, For it I am shooting the same FMJ's and using the Slick Trick line up. I pick some out and go to the woods for the weekend. With them I know that I just have to screw them on and go hunt. To dat I have dropped several hogs with the Razor Tricks and also this ram a few weeks back with both the Magnum and the Razor for a finisher. He probably didn't need it, but I wanted him down and not in the gulch where he was headed.



For fletching I for the most part use the Blazers, but I have been playing with some of the Easton Diamond 235's and also some of the Vane Tec Super Spine series.

I am not so much looking for speed as quiet. The Admiral is whisper quiet but the arrows give off the tell tale swoosh as they come in and I am trying to cut that down some. The lower the noise, the less signature the other hogs will have to clue in on. The Razors go through most of them so fast they simply grunt and run a few yards then fall over. IF I can cut the noise down some more I am hoping to be able to get more than one from a sounder.


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Bowtech Extreme Solo

31 inch Draw
68.5 draw weight
455 gr PSE X Weave 300s (total weight with 125gr heads)
125gr Slicktrick Standards and Rocket Stricknines.
278fps
2in blazers and QAD Tune-a-nocks
 
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4" RH feathers (white) also a white knock

Easton C2 340 29" for arrows (I still like 2216's though)

Muzzy 3 blade 100's total arrow is about 430 grns.


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Heritage express 250's, 50 grain brass insert, 240 grain heads, natural feathers. They bareshaft well out of the 53 lb longbow and hit like a hammer.
 
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Well I am with the bow and arrow like I am with the rifle and loads. Having gotten back into this year before last I got set up at a shop where the fellas knew way more than I did about it.

My first bow was the Bowtech Tomkat which I still shoot and shoot very accurately. For it I went with some Carbon Express 6075's due to finances at the time. These were cut to 28.5" as my bow was set to a 28" draw and I liked them a bit further out with the blades on the end. I shot these until I managed to get hold of some Easton 340 FMJ's and what a difference. These I ahd cut to 29" due to it being a nice round number and giving me a tad more weight for the hogs we hunt year round.

Then last July I picked up the Admiral, For it I am shooting the same FMJ's and using the Slick Trick line up. I pick some out and go to the woods for the weekend. With them I know that I just have to screw them on and go hunt. To dat I have dropped several hogs with the Razor Tricks and also this ram a few weeks back with both the Magnum and the Razor for a finisher. He probably didn't need it, but I wanted him down and not in the gulch where he was headed.



For fletching I for the most part use the Blazers, but I have been playing with some of the Easton Diamond 235's and also some of the Vane Tec Super Spine series.

I am not so much looking for speed as quiet. The Admiral is whisper quiet but the arrows give off the tell tale swoosh as they come in and I am trying to cut that down some. The lower the noise, the less signature the other hogs will have to clue in on. The Razors go through most of them so fast they simply grunt and run a few yards then fall over. IF I can cut the noise down some more I am hoping to be able to get more than one from a sounder.



Nice ram,

You have a great bow hunt setup. I also prefer a bow thats silent compared to speed.

The 350 Destroyer has it both.

Have been using Slick Tricks for the last 5 years and you will always find one of them on my arrow. The Razor Tricks are great cut on contact heads.


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Bowtech Extreme Solo

31 inch Draw
68.5 draw weight
455 gr PSE X Weave 300s (total weight with 125gr heads)
125gr Slicktrick Standards and Rocket Stricknines.
278fps
2in blazers and QAD Tune-a-nocks


Leo,

Thats a great combo.

We will test the setup in August. Wink


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4" RH feathers (white) also a white knock

Easton C2 340 29" for arrows (I still like 2216's though)

Muzzy 3 blade 100's total arrow is about 430 grns.


My fletching is also all white with a white wrap.

Easy to see in flight and to find after the shot as well as reading the blood on the arrow.

430gr arrows are a good weight if you want to increase FOC add a 125gr Slick Trick Std and you will be surprised how they zip through animals.


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Heritage express 250's, 50 grain brass insert, 240 grain heads, natural feathers. They bareshaft well out of the 53 lb longbow and hit like a hammer.


What is your total arrow weight?

What is your draw length on the long bow?

The next shooting challenge for me is learning the art of shooting a long bow and recurve bow.


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Sorry I should have given more info.

My draw is 27" I can stretch it out to 28 but with hunting clothes etc. the 27" idea is a lot closer to reality.

Total arrow weight is 640 grains.

I lost some speed by adding the extra weight upfront. I went from 198 fps. to about 160-165 fps. I don't mind the speed loss as it meant that my point on distance is pretty close to 40 yards. That makes it easier for me to aim the longer shots. I shoot instinctive to 25 yards and gap shoot after that distance.

My field tips are about 3/8 inch diameter on the heavy field tips so the resistance to penetration is a lot more than the skinny field tips. I can still blow right through 3/4 inch plywood at 40 yards with the fat field tips.

I don't know where the break even point is for heavy arrows vs light arrows and I'm not going to get into that conversation here as it's always a pi$$ing match.

I really like how quietly the bow shoots with more weight and It's a lot easier on the equipment too.

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Thats sounds like a potent setup.

400gr arrows out of a compound bow is as light as I will go.

My arrows are all 450gr +


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The reason I use the Blazers and the QAD tune-a-nocks is they lighten up the back end of the arrow. This gives me more FOC. It does lighten up the spine a little so you might have to turn down your poundage some.

I'm finding that these carbon arrows actually need more FOC than the aluminum ones. Maybe it's just my setup but it sure seemed to help me.
 
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What does FOC mean? TIA
 
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Front Of Center, its how far forward of the center of the arrow does it balance. Historically it was considered to be perfect at 12% and I never found a reason to disagree with all that experience.
 
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Front Of Center, its how far forward of the center of the arrow does it balance. Historically it was considered to be perfect at 12% and I never found a reason to disagree with all that experience.


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Front Of Center, its how far forward of the center of the arrow does it balance. Historically it was considered to be perfect at 12% and I never found a reason to disagree with all that experience.



Other than the fact that higher FOC arrows are more stable in crosswinds and can get away with smaller feathers for stabilization. High FOC arrows are breaking all the flight records for long distance shooting and are thus just as effecient at flying or maybe more so. High FOC is a great way to shoot stiffer arrows which leads to better penetration. High FOC arrows recover from paradox quicker. I can't see any reason not to use the old 12% rule either.

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Gerhardt,, I have used the same arrow as you for years now,, since they came out 350 carbon express maxima hunters or their latest version when I need more shafts,,,,, I shoot a Matthews Switchback at 70lbs,,, Steelforce 2 blade with bleeders at 125 gn,, 4 inch fletching..... I usually take 3-4 dozen arrows when I go to Africa,, and usually leave most with Ph on my return including broadheads,,,


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Gerhardt,, I have used the same arrow as you for years now,, since they came out 350 carbon express maxima hunters or their latest version when I need more shafts,,,,, I shoot a Matthews Switchback at 70lbs,,, Steelforce 2 blade with bleeders at 125 gn,, 4 inch fletching..... I usually take 3-4 dozen arrows when I go to Africa,, and usually leave most with Ph on my return including broadheads,,,


That arrow and broad head combo is perfect for plains game.

What is the arrow length cut at and what is your total arrow weight?


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I am using a Gold Tip XT hunter, 4" plastic vanes with a offset instead of helical twist, cut to around 27" and weight around 420grs with a 100gr slick trick. Bow is a Diamond Black Ice shooting 70lbs
 
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I am using a Gold Tip XT hunter, 4" plastic vanes with a offset instead of helical twist, cut to around 27" and weight around 420grs with a 100gr slick trick. Bow is a Diamond Black Ice shooting 70lbs


Thats a nice setup you have there...


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My shaft length is 30.5 inches long,, the total weight is just over 450gn if my memory is correct, if I add luminocks it goes up slightly as well sometime I add a Zebra pattern wrap under the fletching. The added white helps me follow the flight of the arrow better and I like the looks,,,,


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My shaft length is 30.5 inches long,, the total weight is just over 450gn if my memory is correct, if I add luminocks it goes up slightly as well sometime I add a Zebra pattern wrap under the fletching. The added white helps me follow the flight of the arrow better and I like the looks,,,,


I have found that luminocks are not very reliable.

What other lighted nock do you suggest?

I have used easton tracer nocks and the work great every time. Problem is that 90 out of 100 shipped to my Pro Shop the batteries are flat on arrival...


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Check back with me next spring. I plan to come over and can easily bring enough feathers to fletch a hundred arrows or more if you wish.

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Hi Gerhard

I shoot an Elite Envy 70lb bow using a trophy taker drop away rest. My arrows are CE Maxima Hunters 350 . I normally buy my arrows uncut as I have a 31 and a bit draw length so I have a number of slight changes I make dependent on what animals I am after.
I use the Tekan G5 125gr and have found it to be the most reliable of the broadheads I have used. (waiting for some slick tricks to play with) . I have experimented with a number of fletches over the years and have settled on a 3inch silicone Fletch made by PSE which thru experiments has shown to be the most reliable and accurate fletch I have tried.

With this set up I have shot
Eland Bull
Eland Cow
Kudu Bull
Wildebeast
Impala
warthog
Wild Pig
Bushbuck.

I believe that every archer has a unique set up and that little quirks and changes with each persons set up can make massive differences . Its very interesting reading everyones different opinions and set ups here.
 
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