Hello, I've heard so much about this cam & 1/2 thing from Hoyt, and that it's much better than the Single cam technology from Mathews, so who is turning in their Mathews for the Cam & 1/2? I thought Mathews tried the cam & 1/2 thing 10yrs. ago and it was inferior to the single cam. Has any of the two companies tested the two bows to see who is telling the truth about which is more likely to go out of time and which of the two has complete level nock travel, etc. etc. I'm looking to get into bowhunting and would like to know who is pulling my leg from these ads I read. Thanks guys, Jay
Posts: 1745 | Location: WI. | Registered: 19 May 2003
Jay, In 30 years of shooting a bow I have never had such an easy bow to set up and stay that way then a one cam bow. I have two Mathews now and my first is shot by me son. My 4th will most likely be another Mathews. Thats not to say that Bowtech or any of the other single cams would not be as good but I see no reason to change. I know a "Hoyt Man" that has been shooting them for twenty years and would not think of picking up a Mathews(I think because he knows he would not beable to put it down). He admitted to me that he has never had so much trouble with a bow then his new cam and a half?????
Posts: 594 | Location: Plano Texas | Registered: 15 July 2002
Jay, I have had 3 mathews bow and will most likely be buying a 4th in the future. If I were to look else where for a new bow it would be Hoyt even though I am not convienced that the cam and a 1/2 is just that. I work in an archery pro shop and have looked and shot these on my shop time and see NO difference between a double cam and Hoyts new cam and a 1/2. I just think that hoyt is dead wrong in there advertising claims on this new cam system. Not saying its no good but just stating they are off base on their ads.
Posts: 123 | Location: grand rapids | Registered: 01 May 2003
We did some test on Hoyts ad claims that their new cam and 1/2 can be shot with cams out of sink to each other without changing point of impact and we found that when we put the bow out of time the point of impact did change. Mathews states this in their ads as well thru testing they did. So you tell me what IS the advantage of the new cam Hoyt is peddling? As far as Im concerned it is more like a 2 cam bow than a single or a 1 1/2 cam. I have no problem with the cam becouse I work on my own bows and keep them tuned and timed out w/o a problem but it is unfair to those who are not proficent at working on their own bows to claim that has less timing problems than a 2 cam bow. I see guys all the time who have owned a bow for 5 or 6 years that finally break down and bring in their 2 cam to have us figure out why they have NEVER been able to get fixed heads to fly good and we find that their cams are sooo out of time and probly have always been that way. Alot of bowhunters out there are still fighting this problem and need to have good solid info as to what to expect in the area of maintance on their hunting rigs. They need honest not misleading info. All the companies are guilty of that.
Posts: 123 | Location: grand rapids | Registered: 01 May 2003
Jay Gorski First off I don't believe that Mathews people are trading their bows right and left for Hoyt's. Although there are some that have I'm sure.
My advice is to go to the pro shops and shoot the different models you are interested in. Then pick the one you like the most.
Now keeping in mind I have not shot every new Mathews cam, I will say that the Hoyt cam.5 is softer. In other words it has a more forgiving valley or longer valley. This I think is an improvement over their 1-cam bows. At least in a hunting bow. This is also one reason why I still shoot an ancient 2 -cam bow.
One last thing, I know that Hoyt and Mathews are top dog. And rightfully so, I guess. But the bow I have been the most impressed with is the Parker. Their fit and finish is on par with the other two but they are a little better priced. The shop her in town (that I�m very close to) says they never have them come back. So try a lot of different bows.
Just my 2 cents, God Bless Shawn
Posts: 773 | Location: Louisiana | Registered: 31 May 2002
quote:Originally posted by chuckduster: Stick with the Hoyt if you want a Cam& 1/2. You will be happier with the quality of the Hoyt over the Darton.
wooooooooooooops!!!!! I must spell Darton wrong . It is either that or you don't have a clue on quality . CPS system was created by Darton and Hoyt just buys from others to make the "stuff" they sell . Nothing against Hoyt but don't confuse your body with quality .
I Regress at My Bowl Birman
Posts: 515 | Location: The fields of Delaware but now Pa too | Registered: 04 June 2003
OK, Did a little shopping around, shot a Hoyt cam & 1/2, Mathews SQ2, both nice bows, also handled a Bear TRX, the Mathews and the Bear have the nicest grip, that's very important, just like the way a rifle handles to me, I've seen the testing that Mathews(On their website) did with testing for nock travel, and the claim that you could deliberately put the cams out of sync and it would hit in the same spot, yadayada, I believe that Mathews is telling the truth here, they do have the nicest grip and the best looking bows, and they shoot very well, anyone guess which bow I got? Never really cared for Dinosaurs, catch me if you can, Jay
Posts: 1745 | Location: WI. | Registered: 19 May 2003
Birman, We sell Dartons at my shop and I will never hold nor will anyone else in our shop up to the same Standard as Mathews or Hoyt. Darton just doesnt have the loyalty that some of the others do from their shooters. And you are correct that Darton did develop the so called Cam & 1/2 which is really a redesigned 2 cam bow, BIG DEAL!!!!! You still have to time it and I just dont see the advantage of that over a single cam. As I stated above tests have been done by both shooters and manufacturers and the cam & 1/2 system is not all it is cracked up to be for the AVERAGE shooter. I personally love the feel of the cam and would consider buying one only for the fact that I am able to do my own work as far as timing. There is NO way I would consider Darton even close to having the quality of the big 2. I see on a % average more Darton bow return for warrenty work that I do Hoyts, Mathews, Bow Tech and Parkers. Parkers would be number 3 on my list of bows to buy. For now Ill stick to Mathews.
Posts: 123 | Location: grand rapids | Registered: 01 May 2003
Maybe when I grow up I can be just like you mathews "shooters". I will of course not bring any Darton archery with me if I see you and so will spare my self of the embarrassment. I personally take mathews "shooters" with a grain of salt. They have a very high opinion of them selves but can rarely hold their own against another archer. These are the type of people that think their word is that of beyond Chuck Adams a if they happen to be wrong they were not heard correctly. I wonder into bow shops that are of the same opinion as you but I will not buy a Hoyt or mathews from them. They can sell me my aluminum and such but I'll buy my Bows from someone that does not hold a prejudice position on equipment.
I read Bowhunter at MY Bowl Birman
Posts: 515 | Location: The fields of Delaware but now Pa too | Registered: 04 June 2003
These are all nice bows and I have not found one I do not like. I shoot mainly PSE because you have PSE then there is all the rest. I do own a Darton and will say that I love it. It is way too nice to bang around and I only take it out on nice days. It has a sixty# pull at 30 inches and I shoot 2613 horses with 125 muzzy and five inch Fletcher. It is up around 237fps and will not stop and a white tail. I also shoot an MQ-32 and a PSE Infinity. The PSE shoots better for me. My brother is a PSE and Hoyt fan but you see him in the field with a Hoyt only if he has our niece with him ( he gave her one ). The other guys I hunt with use Hoyt, Mathews, Darton, but Most use PSE. I think as far as service goes the only bows that have gone back have been Martin and Mathews for cracked limbs. They said service was good but I think no service needed is better. The only problem I have had with the Darton is keeping a sight to hold as its cam-break is fast as hell. I have used 8 different types and came down to a locally made sight by Steve Mac.
Just remember that what is right for you is not always right for another. DOA
Birman, Ok your Darton is the BOMB!!!!!!!!! I will never question your level of knowledge in the archery field again. IM SOOO SORRY BIG BOY! You need to spend alittle more time in the tree relaxing and not worrying about us Mathews shooters. Im not going to argue with you anymore I still have one last buck tag to fill and need to worry about that. HAVE A NICE SEASON!
Posts: 123 | Location: grand rapids | Registered: 01 May 2003
My wife has a Hoyt cam & 1/2, and I fully intended to purchase one. When we got to the bow shop I realized he also sold Mathews. I picked up a bow in my draw length and the Hoyt and was almost sold. When he let me shoot them, it was all over.
This is my third bow and nothing, I have ever been around, compares with this Mathews LX. I simply can not say enough good about it. Now my wife wants one, I guess I don't blame her!
Good Hunting, "Z"
Posts: 352 | Location: Grand Island, NE. USA | Registered: 26 January 2001
When I got my bow 2 years ago I tried a lot of different bows out there and came home with a Darton Maverick. It was between darton and the hoyt Vortec. After shooting side by side the darton had a much better grip and by far better draw cycle. Mathews was not even in the race. What can I say Darton was the best for me. Remember what one person feels is great is junk to another. So you have to take all this my bow is better than your bow with a grain of salt. To each there own.
But for me Darton rules.
But for another bow as backup to my Darton maverick I will probable get a Bowtech Pro 38. Just to try out.
Brian
Posts: 119 | Location: NJ | Registered: 18 June 2002
I have always shot Hoyts with great luck and service but a few years ago thought the Q2 was the bow to get. To make a long story short, I couldn't shoot the thing. Tuned ok, but couldn't hit the same spot twice and I'm not a beginning archer. I practice almost every day from early spring to into fall. The dealer wouldn't help, the factory wouldn't help. Almost all the advertising claims turned out to be false. After going back to the dealer 6 times, he finally traded bow for bow for a Hoyt UltraTec. Problem solved. In 2 hours, I had the bow shooting great which I wasn't able to do in 2 1/2 weeks with the Mathews. Don't know if I had a lemon or not but I sure don't miss the string slapping my wrist after every shot, and yes, I know how to shoot. To answer the question, I did trade the Mathews for a Hoyt and would never shoot one again. In fact I'm getting mad just thinking about the whole ordeal.
Posts: 179 | Location: Wisconsin | Registered: 02 October 2001
I can't figure out what makes Mathews shooters so touchy. I would think it's the advertising. I don't mean everybody, but alot of the shooters seem to be in love with their mathews and to say something bad is like degrading their mothers. Others notice that as well?
Posts: 179 | Location: Wisconsin | Registered: 02 October 2001
Anaconda, you're not alone. I see my reply was deleted as well. Hmmm, I thought that they didn't delete threads/replies at AR. Feels just like HuntAmerica. Did swamp get a moderators position here?
Joe
Posts: 55 | Location: Corunna, MI, USA | Registered: 21 July 2000
quote:Originally posted by Shane in WI: I can't figure out what makes Mathews shooters so touchy. I would think it's the advertising. I don't mean everybody, but alot of the shooters seem to be in love with their mathews and to say something bad is like degrading their mothers. Others notice that as well?
Shane, When you can find me a bow thats better than my Mathews, maybe I wouldn't be so touchy, in my eyes and from some of the other bows I've shot, 2 hoyts, Bear, Kodiak Outdoors, they just don't compare, done. Jay
Posts: 1745 | Location: WI. | Registered: 19 May 2003
As I said in my "Deleated" post, the Hoyt seemed like a better bow to me. Is it possable that different individual bows of the same make & model are so different that no two shoot with the same leval of smoothness & sound ? When I shot the different bows, including Mathews LX & Leagcy, Hoyt Razortec, Cybertec & Supertec, the Razortec had less sound and shok/vibration. No dought about it, but MANY people claim that the Mathews bows (take you pick) are quiter and have less vibration. Could we both be right ? Could there be that much difference between different individual bows that my Razortec IS better than the LX I shot, but another LX might be better than my Razortec ? or a different Razortec might be worse/better ?
Posts: 254 | Location: Kaliforina | Registered: 31 January 2003
quote:Originally posted by Anaconda: As I said in my "Deleated" post, the Hoyt seemed like a better bow to me. Is it possable that different individual bows of the same make & model are so different that no two shoot with the same leval of smoothness & sound ? When I shot the different bows, including Mathews LX & Leagcy, Hoyt Razortec, Cybertec & Supertec, the Razortec had less sound and shok/vibration. No dought about it, but MANY people claim that the Mathews bows (take you pick) are quiter and have less vibration. Could we both be right ? Could there be that much difference between different individual bows that my Razortec IS better than the LX I shot, but another LX might be better than my Razortec ? or a different Razortec might be worse/better ?
Yes, That's totally possible, like I said in my earlier post, the store owner who sold me the SQ2, told me he went to a Razortec this year while saying that his Q2 was the best shooting bow he ever shoot, what's up with that, Lets hunt! Jay
Posts: 1745 | Location: WI. | Registered: 19 May 2003
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. It is either that or you don't have a clue on quality ![[Confused]](images/icons/confused.gif){kind=icon}
. CPS system was created by Darton and Hoyt just buys from others to make the "stuff" they sell ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif){kind=icon}
. Nothing against Hoyt but don't confuse your body with quality 
