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I love the early long tang models & do have a few,my only regret so far is not much field time,I am thinking of maybe taking one along on my next Africa hunt,it will probably be my 416/348 improved,I am working on bullet selection & loads now,I would love to hear of your hunting stories & what game you have taken with your 71? DRSS | ||
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Deer and elk only. It would be a good enough bushveld rifle and caliber, its balistically a 30-06 and the 06 has proven itself time and time again. I would have another rifle for the open country of African, and there is plenty of that. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Larger deer in the lower 48 and moose in Alaska. I prefer to still hunt in the traditional style- that means getting close-using stalk tactics and field craft. Francis Sell in 1950s Oregon alternated between a Model 71 and M-70 in 30-06. Parker Ackley liked his 348 Ack Improved, because it gave 175-200 fps extra over the parent cartridge. I think the 348 WCF is closer to the 338-06 and 35 Whelen than the 30-06. W-W discontinued the 348/150 gr bullet because it lacked sectional density. With the 250 grainers in the 348 Ack Imp, the Model 71 becomes a different caliber-equaling the 35 Whelen for sure. Serious medicine if bears come to the caribou or moose gut pile. Premium bullets now level off the playing field, like the 348 North Fork 230 grain bullets. Avatar | |||
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I sold my last 71 and kicked myself for doing so. Early deluxe numbered around 1500. I will get another. In the 1980s, when first in Alaska, I shot caribou and a moose with my 71. Cal _______________________________ Cal Pappas, Willow, Alaska www.CalPappas.com www.CalPappas.blogspot.com 1994 Zimbabwe 1997 Zimbabwe 1998 Zimbabwe 1999 Zimbabwe 1999 Namibia, Botswana, Zambia--vacation 2000 Australia 2002 South Africa 2003 South Africa 2003 Zimbabwe 2005 South Africa 2005 Zimbabwe 2006 Tanzania 2006 Zimbabwe--vacation 2007 Zimbabwe--vacation 2008 Zimbabwe 2012 Australia 2013 South Africa 2013 Zimbabwe 2013 Australia 2016 Zimbabwe 2017 Zimbabwe 2018 South Africa 2018 Zimbabwe--vacation 2019 South Africa 2019 Botswana 2019 Zimbabwe vacation 2021 South Africa 2021 South Africa (2nd hunt a month later) ______________________________ | |||
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One moose, elk, lots of deer and lots of varmints. Mostly with the 450AK. The moose was shot with 35/348imp and a 300 grain Barnes. | |||
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300 grains? how fast were you able to push it? I am wondering what's the heaviest bullet I can get for my 348 improved? DRSS | |||
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It was loading along at just over two thousand. Did not recover it and it was very difficult to figure out bullet holes as this moose was a fighter. Had holes in his neck I could stuck a hand into. He was delicious, we ate him up in less than a year. | |||
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450ak, Try again, I think you missed something, typo prpbably....If you didn't recover it, how did you eat it in less than a year?  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Someplace north of Red Earth Creek Alberta I was hunting moose. This bull came through the timber breaking things. We retreated down a seismic road cut. Bull came out about where the guide last called. Shot the bull angling into right shoulder, bull ran fifty yards and tipped over. Guide was amazed I didn't have a scoped rifle, had never seen anybody hunting with out one. | |||
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Id love to have a 4 caliber on the IMP 348 case, I think your on to something there..Hows the recoil?? Just a 348 IMP would be a nice bush rifle for sure..The closes Ive come to that is a 45-90, it was much better than the 45-70 IMO..I shot several elk and deer with it.. I say the 348 duplicates the 30-06 balistically as that was Winchesters intention to start with, a lever action 30-06 at the time..You may well be right in that it is closer to a 338-06 or a Whelan... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Ray, I had a Browning 71 in 416/348 imp. Killed a good whitetail with it in the Greybull River bottom. Packed it around a lot and sold it last year. To much recoil for my fused neck and back. The 35/348 and my 450 Alaskan we're done by the same craftsman. Unfortunately I don't know who built them. Both are rebarelled, full magazine tubes and restocked. And they're both heavy. I'd love sell them to a young man so he can enjoy them for many years. I'll find my remaining hunting years with a71 and some 64's. And of course my 500 Smith and Wesson levers. | |||
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Yes sir, mother nature show little mercy on us old curmudeons when it comes to recoil!! We may end up taking head shots on moose with a 22 hornet.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The 450 AK and 348 Ack Improved really take the 348 case into another dimension. Using a 300 gr Hawk, shot a bull moose in the Alaskan interior-35 miles east of Lake Minchumina SW of Nenana. One shot kill and he crumpled. The heavy bullet in the 348 AI is also real handy if bears show up. Recoil is similar to the 35 Whelen, as is the performance. Kodiak bonded 400 gr bullets will reach 2000 FPS in the 450 AK on my pre-war Model 71. The 350 gr Hornady RN that has a thick jacket also works well. I use nothing lighter than a 350 gr bullet in the Alaskan because of the purpose of the rifle. Ray-it has a little recoil but nothing much beyond the same noticed in a warm 45-70 or 45-90. Avatar | |||
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Just got mine a couple weeks ago. Had to do a bit of searching and waiting to acquire brass. So it will be a time of testing loads and bullets and such. Almost as much fun as hunting. I plan to hunt deer, hogs and possibly elk (if I can get these old bones up those steep hills). | |||
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I just placed an order with Alaska bullets,got a few hundred of the .458 -400 gr FP's & .348-250gr FP'S,I am hoping that one of my 71's will go with me to Africa this fall. I just added two more to my collection from one of our very own on here,two long tangs,fully customized,two old solders that show their experience,a 450 & a 35-348 Ackley. DRSS | |||
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My buddy is deadly on CA wild pigs with his 71. the 348 knocks the hell out of them. Stalks them in the barley fields. | |||
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Kind of thought you were full of prunes on the .30/06-.348 comparison, figured the .348 would be better compared to the .35 Whelen. After some ballistic homework I see your comparisons are dead on. So I bow to your superior ballistic knowledge. | |||
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Larry, ream the chamber out to the Ackley version & you will have a 35 Whelen,I got one,doing load development on it now,am upto 2450 with 250's. DRSS | |||
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Bill, I've heard that the improves don't feed so well from somewhere, I don't remember where I heard this. I don't believe I will actually need the additional horsepower, as I will primarily be chasing our local deer and hogs with it. The added case life is tempting however. Who did the work on your rifle? | |||
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I have a B71 that I had converted to 45/90 several years ago. I took it up to the Northern Territory a few years back and managed to take a buffalo using handloads featuring a 520gr cast pill. It worked fine. Not spectacular, but it got the job done - those animals can absorb a lot of lead. The big cast pills worked fine but it is a lot of animal and the skin is quite thick. I know a lot of you go weak at the knees at the mere mention of a Model 71, but to be honest I prefer the feel of the 1886 - the pistol grip model has a more open grip and being a long tang the grip is not crowded by the point of the comb. The 71's grip just feels awkward to me as does the point of the comb on the short tang models. I also don't care much for the tapered locking lugs. I understand why they were used at the time, but I prefer the 1886 lugs with no taper. One of the features I like on the 71 is the styling and feel of the forend - it fits the hand better and handling is improved. | |||
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 Doggoneit I was fine with the grip on my 71, but now I see what you are talking about. The grip is much the same on my 88 which also has never bothered me before. Oh well!  | |||
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Larry. I got the rifle as is,bought it off a gent who lived in Alaska. DRSS | |||
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The 45-90 is a fine round,I have a 1886 takedown,bullet selection being right?it will do the job,Crshelton who posts here has taken big game in Africa with his 45-90,although if I had a choice? it would not be my first choice for hunting big bad things,I have other guns that are more suitable,but the 45-90 is nearly identical to the 450 Alaskan in performance if loaded right in modern guns,I have shot a bison with a 45-90 Sharps & cast bullets,it dropped where it stood,those heavy cast pills gotta have the right speed & hardness to work right,the short tang 71's are not my choice either,all mine are long tang models. DRSS | |||
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Bill, you're a lucky man to have a few of those long tang 71's. I passed one up at a local auction when the bidding exceeded my budget. It was a very clean, early 4 digit serial number deluxe model with the optional bolt mounted peep and factory sling swivels. 1886's and 71's are a bit of a rarity in this country. I believe the late Don Heath favored using a Model 71 for hunting or following up leopard. He used to write articles and post as Ganyana. Back in the 50's when there was a national emergency in Malaya, an Aussie policemen named Rod Stokes was posted there to lend assistance. He took a Model 71 with him and used it to hunt tiger and boar in thick jungle. There must numerous stories of the Model 71 in use by guides and hunters in the US. | |||
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The big Bore forum has an interesting discussion on the 450 Alaskan,RIP just posted something,a very interesting hunt with a win 71. DRSS | |||
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I love the mod. 71 in std. .348, used on one bull elk as I recall and shot some othe small stuff with it..Like the gun and the caliber. That said I also owned a couple of 1886 45-90s and loaded with the 350 gr. Hornady it was an awesome killer, and super accurate..Killed a few elk, one bull and a few cows,best I recall,and the main thing I recall is how well it killed.. It just worked exceptionally well. Always wanted a 50-110,120 or 140 in an 1886 but it just wasn't in the cards, and too late now..Would have made a Cape Buffalo gun I think! and follow up shots galore. I feel like these big slow moving old caliber kill much better with hard cast heavy bullets that make two holes, not so the soft nose bullets, they have never impressed me. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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A bit off the subject but at one time many moons ago I met a fellow hunter who was packing a Win. mod 95 in 9.3x62..I got to know him and he had hunted the world with that one gun, albeit he was knowledgable on all manor of guns and calibers.. I have often considered a Win 95 Carbine, one of the new ones by Win. or Browning in a 9.3x62, an awesome killer that as far as Ive been able to tell would do anything the great 375 H&H would do..for thick stuff a 320 gr. Woodligh RN at probably and easy 2300 FPS in that 95 would be big medicine on Moose, I know a 286 gr. Woodleigh is death on elk at 2400 to 2500 FPS. in my bolt guns.. Maybe its time for me to build such a rifle..I figure it should duplicate the caliber in a bolt gun less 100 FPS. The only reason Ive never done this is Ive had such good luck with a 220 Nosler partition in the Win. 95, in 30-06, its just deadly on about anything. Its really hard to beat the old 06.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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This probably won't be a lever-action, Ray, but I may be able to borrow a .30-06 for that black-bear hunt. Would 220 grain bullets be the best fodder? If I can't find factory Noslers, would Core-Lokts do? | |||
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Corelokts work well especially the round nose version..A 30-06 has enough velocity and bullet weight plus cross section to penetrate a black bear fully most of the time and depending on size..but you are always well armed with a 30-06. My favorite bullet in the 30-06 is the 200 gr. Nosler at 2600 to 2700 FPS. it will kill anything and runs at 180 gr. velocities. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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I used my .308 on black bear. I loaded it with Hornady GMX bullets because I wanted good penetration. It performed exceptionally well. _______________ DSC NRA Benefactor | |||
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Vance, From what I have seen, your .308 was an excellent choice for black bear. 86er, a couple more guys, and I have booked a BB hunt in May 2019 where there are color phase bear. He plans to use one of his muzzle loaders and from what I have seen him shoot with them, the bear are in big trouble. I plan to take my .405 DR just for the fun of it . If it all comes off as planned, I will post a report here and elsewhere . NRA Life Benefactor Member, DRSS, DWWC, Whittington Center,Android Reloading Ballistics App at http://www.xplat.net/ | |||
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Thanks vlwtx348, I will keep those GMX bullets in mind. | |||
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Ive never felt underguned with a .308 stuffed with 150 gr. bullets at 2800 or 180 gr. gr. at 2600 plus a bit..I do like Nosler partitions or Accubonds, or any premium bullet for elk and larger animals. Hornadys, Corelokts, Win PP all good on deer. BTW Ive found 180 gr Accubonds to take up too much powder space in a SAvage 99 as case length is determined by the rotor magazine, but the long Accubonds are fine in most bolt actions with 06 length magazines.. I like the .308 and 250-3000 cartridge in the Savage 99 for hunting horseback because its flat and comfortable and has the needed power for anything..From a ballistic standpoint the bolt actions are better in the .308..and definitely bear fodder. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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