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Posts: 5684 | Location: North Wales UK | Registered: 22 May 2002Reply With Quote
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If I may comment, there`s also the "blue book" on CIC`s website, containing medal categories..


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does anyone know where near Wiltshire i could get a couple of heads measured properly?

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does anyone know where near Wiltshire i could get a couple of heads measured properly?

thank you


check with Brigadier Tony Dalby-Welsh dalbywelsh@btinternet.com - he is the head of the UK CIC Delegation.
 
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Alex,
Dominic Griffiths lives just over the Wiltshire border in Hampshire not far from Andover.
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eatie,

don't suppose you have contact details for Dominic?
 
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Alex,
I don't have it to hand at the moment.
I share a shoot boundary with him but never see him.
I'm not sure if he is in the Telephone directory but he should be contactable through BASC.
 
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Anyone knows were to get the records of CIC?
Specially looking for the world record Wild Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus).

I think it was shot in Norway, but not sure.


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Anyone knows were to get the records of CIC?
Specially looking for the world record Wild Reindeer (Rangifer tarandus tarandus).

I think it was shot in Norway, but not sure.


as far I know there isn't a record book of the CIC.
I have top 50 list of some species (roe,red, fallow, feral goat,alpine ibex, chamois, wildboar, euro predators)in a official -not for sale- Italian CIC book, but the list is made for the pubblication itself.
I think that CIC is somewhat against the concept of "record book"...


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I thought the measuring of African game was complex with SCI systems. But the CIC is very strongly opinion and seems more a rough score then the precision of P&Y B&C RW or SCI.
CIC is the oldest trophy management system. Using the weight of horns, antlers and the "beauty points" even for wild boar teeth is unusual too. Not sure whose eye the beauty is in? I think weighing antlers shows true mass, I just wonder how perfectly the skulls are cleaned from one trophy to the next before weighing. It's why I think it's more of a "rough score" then the precision of accurate measure. Also stretching skins to measure is always a risk, and stretch is always relative to the person doing it.

Probably why they have no actual record book. it seems the score is to reach a level of award or category, but not to compete with other trophies. That part is very respectable. I very much like the idea of a system that says it's a trophy without competing over cm to see whose is best. I'm not sure that competing with the life of a living thing is the direction sportsman should be headed.
 
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Alex,
contact Alan McCormick @ Basc, they are doing a measurers course which Dominic is hosting..
they will have his contact details.

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Originally posted by Anders:
Anyone knows were to get the records of CIC?


Perhaps try to contact CIC?? http://www.cic-wildlife.org/

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the CIC is very strongly opinion and seems more a rough score then the precision of P&Y B&C RW or SCI.


Not that I care very much for one trophy score over the next, but to break a lance for CIC, not all attributes of a trophy are easily measurable. Case in point, the CIC point system allows individual scoring for "pearling" (if that is what it is called in English? - "Perlung" in German) of roe trophies. I'm not sure how one could measure that attribute, but it sure adds to a trophy!!

Additionally, "beauty points" (as pearling) only amounts to a (comparative) few, additional points out of the total score. The majority of the score is made up of measurements.

The scoring of trophies via the CIC system used (in some countries such as CZ, Serbia etc) as basis for payment of trophy fees is probably fairly rough. After all, the general rule is that the trophy is measured 24 hours after boiling, a period which surely does not allow for complete drying of the skull. I'm pretty sure, though, that when it comes to "record" trophies, such rough scoring is not the end of the scoring process, and an official scoring panel will agree on the final score. This in some ways mirrors official scores as taken under SCI or B&C systems.

As a general comment, CIC is very far from the type of commercial organization that SCI (and perhaps Rowland Ward?) has grown into. I think that speaks for the organization - quite apart from agreeing with the CIC trophy scoring system. In particular since hunting organizations are few and fragmented in Europe, yet often face pan-European regulation based on lobbying by anti-hunting organizations. Case in point: why it was a good idea to completely stop (at least for a while, and still severely restrict) hunting pressure on crow populations is beyond me. Do you know of a European country where crow populations are endangered, because I don't?? I do know of other populations severely under pressure (also) from crow predation, but that is probably beyond the bleeding hearts mentality of anti-hunting proponents.

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You will find the 10 biggest here! ( Scandinavian Lanuage )

http://www.safariklub.dk/page_...e_nbr=51&menu_nbr=64

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Where can I find CIC medal requirements for Red Deer in Norway and Scotland, where I see it, informs that NJFF (Norges Jeger- og Fiskerforbund) has the following requirements: Bronce, 140p. Silver, 150p. Gold, 170p.

And these requirements are not in conformity with what is disclosed in CIC “Blue Book”


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Where can I find CIC medal requirements for Red Deer in Norway and Scotland, where I see it, informs that NJFF (Norges Jeger- og Fiskerforbund) has the following requirements: Bronce, 140p. Silver, 150p. Gold, 170p.

And these requirements are not in conformity with what is disclosed in CIC “Blue Book”


True, but the red deer in Norway and Scotland are a lot smaller than what you will find on the continent, so I guess that is the reason why NJFF have lowerd the minimum. Rowland Ward has its own categori for Norwegian Reed Deer!

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CIC sucks big time unfortunately.


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Someone should take the best of all and make one good one


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When I'm ready to go, pack a bag of gunpowder up my ass and strike a fire to my pecker, until I squeal like a boar.
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Dominic Griffiths is no longer a CIC measurer, he is part of the BASC/Sporting Rifle measuring team which is not part or anything to do with CIC.


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Anybody that are considering to buy a hunt (bear, wolf and other predators) with a sliding trophy fee based on CIC skin measuring system could get some info in this tread.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...2100588/m/5731018012

This skin measuring system is rotten and hopefully it will vanish as a measuring system within CIC soon.
 
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Originally posted by JJHACK:
I thought the measuring of African game was complex with SCI systems. But the CIC is very strongly opinion and seems more a rough score then the precision of P&Y B&C RW or SCI.
CIC is the oldest trophy management system. Using the weight of horns, antlers and the "beauty points" even for wild boar teeth is unusual too. Not sure whose eye the beauty is in? I think weighing antlers shows true mass, I just wonder how perfectly the skulls are cleaned from one trophy to the next before weighing. It's why I think it's more of a "rough score" then the precision of accurate measure. Also stretching skins to measure is always a risk, and stretch is always relative to the person doing it.

Probably why they have no actual record book. it seems the score is to reach a level of award or category, but not to compete with other trophies. That part is very respectable. I very much like the idea of a system that says it's a trophy without competing over cm to see whose is best. I'm not sure that competing with the life of a living thing is the direction sportsman should be headed.


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I am planning to go on a roebuck hunt in Hungary or Romania this summer. Have a question regarding CIC points in relation to antler weight and consequently price. For example:
if a silver medal roebuck is between 115 and 129 points what kind of antler weight should I be looking for? 300g (340 EUR), 400g (1120 EUR)
or what?
Thanks!
 
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A bronze medal Roe buck will generally need a dry full skull weight of at least 455 g, and a volume of at least 150 ccs.
A silver medal will probably require a dry full skull weight of at least 510 g and a volume of at least 165 ccs, with a gold medal normally requiring a dry skull weight of 570 g and a volume of 200 ccs.
However, there is considerable variation due mainly to the age of the buck and also the quality of the beauty points. Nevertheless, a trophy of 26 cm in main beam length with the above required weight and volume for bronze should achieve this colour medal with average marks for each of the beauty points and full marks for span.
Roe deer antlers must have a dry out period (after preparation) of at least 30 days before evaluation.
Please note when they evaluate the trophy will need to deduct the weight with 90 grams. According to this picture.
https://ibb.co/Wc9S0Vd


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Thank you for your reply. I know now what to look for!
 
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