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Modified .458 300 gr. Remington
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Here's a modification I made to a .458 Remington 45/70 300gr.Rifle Bullet. My interest is for muzzleloading applications for which they perform excellently,but I see no reason they couldn't be used for what they're designed just with a better B.C.
 
Posts: 91 | Registered: 26 February 2005Reply With Quote
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Smokeeter......
Explain how you did this,,,I would like to know so I can repeat it for myself to be used in my #1..45-70.
 
Posts: 99 | Location: Northeast Missouri | Registered: 14 May 2005Reply With Quote
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Jebb, I run them through a custom made die that reshapes the nose into more of a spitzer, it still leaves a slight hollow pt.
I gave up on trying to get the Barnes Originals and decided to use these, they're great and I've had excellent results out past 250 yrds.
 
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Now, where do I get one of these dies and how much will it cost ??? Thanks
 
Posts: 99 | Location: Northeast Missouri | Registered: 14 May 2005Reply With Quote
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You stated you have these in the classified section???? I must be looking in the wrong place. How much per box ????
 
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these are dies that I made for myself, I'm not presently making any for resale.
the listing in the classifieds for the bullets was when I first posted about the modification and I'm sure that listing ( in the classified section) is way back and possibly deleted.
I am presently out of stock and I don't know when I will be replacing them.
 
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Can you explain how you made the dies and what you used for the basic start?? I am on my last box of Barnes originals, and I need to find something to use. Will Your dies work for the 350's and up to the 500 grs as well???
Send me a PM and let me know how you made these dies....
.....jebb45@kci.net......
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Do you have a BC?


Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too!

Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.

 
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That is very interesting any more news on this now?
 
Posts: 426 | Location: B.C. Canada | Registered: 20 November 2003Reply With Quote
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Here's a mod. I did to nosler 260 gr. .4515 partition, added a lead tip which bumped the wt up to 281 grs. The speers are just reshaped no extra weight.


And a reshaped XTP in 250 and 300 gr.
 
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This is just wrong you can't continue to tease like this...

I need the technology so I can do this myself for my T/C Contender carbine in 45-70...
 
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Do they expand on game?
 
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The noslers haven't been tried on game since I performed the reforming with the lead tip added. originally I just reshaped the existing nosler which forced the front lead core out of the hollow pt to form the spire pt.and narrowed the original hollow pt., I did shoot two mature moose this fall and expansion was less than ideal hence the added lead nose it left the original hollow pt close to original diameter which improved expansion ,test in mediums showed excellent expansion and penetration.
The xtp ( non magnums) as shown and the remingtons have excellent terminal ballistics with extended range capabilities great penetration and weight retension of 80% on whitetails. The magnum version are a little heavier jacketed and expansion was lacking on deer size game.
The pick below show both mods to the noslers the left without the lead and the right one with the added lead.


Also I forgot to mention all of the above bullets have been resized down to .450 dia. with no core seperation. Heres a pic of a cut away of some of the ones resized.
 
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This is just too cool!!!!


*we band of 45-70ers*

USAF AMMO Retired!
 
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Hello, LikeJebb45, could you please describe how you make sizer dies? I made a reducer for 405 45's to 416 but the point comes out ugly. Your points are nice. How do you do that? thanks, Dan PM me if it is easier.
 
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I know this hasn't been talked about in awhile but I just found this post. I would be interested in information on doing this. I would like to reshape the noses of both .452 and .458 dia bullets. Thanks.
 
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Hello,
Could you use the same die to put a spire point on the Remington 405gr .458 bullets for the 45/70?
They already expand a little to good,so your not going to hurt that. A little better nose will realy aid the long range potential.

thanks,
John coffee


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the reason for spire pt. was for better long range performance. closing up the nose was also for better controlled expansion ( at least in theory) and results have been good.
the dies I have are for .4515-.452 and a set for .458,the wt. of the bullet doesn't matter just the diameter, and a specific die is required for each, so yes the 405's could be done also.
 
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Smokeeter.......
Lets get down to business...how do you make the die and nose punch??????? I have a double 45-70 that I built and want to shoot a spitzer type bullet in it and no one and I mean no one makes a spitzer bullet for this caliber anymore since Barnes dropped their orginals. Please help with this problem.......jebb45
 
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Check out Hornady .458" 325gr FTX these are the bullets that are in the Leverlution ammo.

I have been loading them for my 45-70 T/C Contender carbine and they are now my favorite bullet that I use in this rifle.
 
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Moki...
The Hornady bullet would be fine, except I made a major purchase from Sierra some time back for several boxes of their 300 gr HP. It would be great to redesign the nose for a better BC.
 
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here's a 300 grain nosler that was modified , no lead buckshot added just squeezed the lead nose into a spitzer point.
original mod.260 gr. with buckshot on the left and the 300 gr with no shot on the right, didn't like the blunt nose.

improved version


improved version
 
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I did a similar process to 45 HTP with a top punch and a #4 buckshot and a lyman 450 lubrisizer press, the top punch was for spire pointed bullets so when pressed it formed the buck shot to be a spire point on the 45 HTP bullet


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Posts: 2128 | Location: Monee, Ill. USA | Registered: 11 April 2001Reply With Quote
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I did a similar process to 45 HTP with a top punch and a #4 buckshot and a lyman 450 lubrisizer press, the top punch was for spire pointed bullets so when pressed it formed the buck shot to be a spire point on the 45 HTP bullet

I believe you inspired me ( from Dougs board) but I found that the #4 buckshot was just a friction fit and some shallower hollow pt bullets wouldn't secure the tip adequately.
My nose punch is custom and with the aid of a hydraulic press I can squeeze the lead core out thru the hollow pt and form it into a spire pt.The 300 gr noslers are not a hollow pt but filled with the upper lead core which forms nicely in this application.
 
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Your right I posted that procedure a few years ago on Doug's after buying the ML10 ago, again it would only work on a hollow point unless you drill a cavity into a soft pointed bullet


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Posts: 2128 | Location: Monee, Ill. USA | Registered: 11 April 2001Reply With Quote
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Hey Smokeeter can you post pictures of your punches, tools and press?
 
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Originally posted by Dan416:
Hey Smokeeter can you post pictures of your punches, tools and press?


Dan PM ed you.
 
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Smoke, where do you buy your dies and your press from?
And how do you deside what size resizing die you need to resize a all copper Barnes ML bullet? IYRC, I bought some of your resized bullets and vials while you were over at Doug's.
Thank's
Arthur.
 
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I know this is an old post but:

Can you imagine if it was bumped up to .458 and shot at max speed out of a Lott?
I would love to see the bullet tests.

Cheers, John


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I got a new set of forming dies , It'll be used to reform and size to .458 diameter to work with my Full Forming die.
I reformed 300 gr. XTP's and bumped them up from .452 to .458 diameter. It'll do everything but solid coppers.




 
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Those point forming dies make perfect .452 bullets for the 450 bushmaster!!
 
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