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Where's the dang Bronco, Ford?!
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Should have been out by now. Anyone else interested in one?
Bet it comes out in a 4T. Then I'm out.


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Should have been out by now. Anyone else interested in one?
Bet it comes out in a 4T. Then I'm out.


Interested in one? If it says FORD on it anywhere, I'm not!!

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If it was on a full size frame with a 5.0, I'd be interested. But it's gonna be ranger based , with small displacement forced induction I'd presume. No thanks.I agree that they have touted this thing's release for so long everyone is kinda like, "Whatever".


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Same here. Sadly 4T's are here to stay.
Considering how disappointed I was in the new over-grown, over-priced, under-cylindered Ranger, I would not be surprised if the same came true with the new Bronco.

I'm sure I'm not the only one sad about the Ranger. Seems to be a lot of '19 leftovers out there. Just found this clip below. If Ford knows what's good for them, they'll make the Bronco bold & unique with power options.


2019 Ford Ranger
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"Where's the dang Bronco, Ford?!"

I have been asking this very question. It is very odd that we are not seeing anything as I thought that it would have happened by now.

I have never been interested in new releases of vehicle until the Ford Bronco.

Here is what I am hoping for: Old school look (more box shaped, not the soccer mom SUV look), manual transmission, 4 cylinder diesel).

I would really be interested in purchasing one if I could convince my wife to give up her Jeep Rubicon.
 
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You won't have to wait much longer as it will be released Spring of 2020 - April is everyone's guess. It is built on the Ranger chassis and will get the 2.3-liter EcoBoost four banger. It is possible that it will eventually receive the 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6.

It basically will be smaller than the Explorer, boxier than the Explorer, a little more off road capable with solid axles and the hopes of cutting into the Jeep Wrangler audience. With all the problems with the EcoBoost, good luck with all that. But maybe it won't have the death wobble...


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You won't have to wait much longer as it will be released Spring of 2020 - April is everyone's guess. It is built on the Ranger chassis and will get the 2.3-liter EcoBoost four banger. It is possible that it will eventually receive the 2.7-liter EcoBoost V-6.

It basically will be smaller than the Explorer, boxier than the Explorer, a little more off road capable with solid axles and the hopes of cutting into the Jeep Wrangler audience. With all the problems with the EcoBoost, good luck with all that. But maybe it won't have the death wobble...


I find it hard to believe that it will be released in spring 2020. I hope that I am wrong. I would think that if this is the case, why are they not releasing more details- specifically, pictures of the vehicle!
 
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https://www.caranddriver.com/n...bronco-release-date/


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It gets here when it gets here. No release date was observed in the story unless I missed it. I heard spring debut, sometime next year, a repeat of the same news over the last year or so again. Same ol' same ol'. It's possible, most likely, sources say, spy cam reveals, etc.

Opus1 - Problems with the EcoBoost? Death wobble? Please advise.


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Pelosi Bronco. You see what you get after you buy it. Mad


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EcoBoost has serious blow by issues resulting in a lot of added pressure in the PVC system along with the idiotic EGR system (EGR SUCKS). This causes a number of problems but specifically it causes rapid carbon and fouling buildup on valves resulting in excessive wear, misfires, shudders, poor fuel mileage, and poor performance. There is also a moisture problem related to both the PVC/EGR system that causes more shuddering and more poor performance issues along with turbo life problems as a result to all the above.

You can resolve "some" of the issues by adding a PVC/EGR catch can/separator. Really should be mandatory on all direct injection and blown engines. That and a lot of maintenance including induction / top end cleaning every 15,000 to 20,000 miles. Also, ignore the recommended oil change intervals and change the oil every 3,000 miles. You can also supposedly program the ECU to delete the EGR circuit. Ford's answer to this is to simply, "simply" replace the heads. In short, don't go out of warranty if you have an EcoBoost.

Death wobble is something that all solid axle front ends experience, it's just that the Jeep Wrangler really sufferers from it. Everyone thought/hoped the new Wrangle was immune, however, it is now being reported that the death wobble lives one. I've had two Wrangles and both had the problem but was resolved with polyurethane bushings and a new Rough Country and Bilstein front end including control arms and brackets, steering stabilizer, sway bar end links, pitman arm, and shocks and coils. Basically a replacement and redesign of the front suspension components and geometry solved the problem. Well, that and $5200...


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And history repeats itself again with Ford, referring to the first dog - the lousy recirc gas system of the early Escorts. Those 4's ate valves like nothing in only 35K miles every time. Later 4's were fantastic and little gems good for over 100K miles without concern. One would think that they (Ford) learned a lesson with that catastrophe. Ford has had some of the most dependable engines over the years. Too bad this one is another dog.

I've been skeptical about the longevity of all 4T's recently designed to replace their V-6's and in some cases like BMW's, the straight six. But, Porsche sold out bigtime in my opinion when they also followed suit. I haven't done the research on the others. It would take some serious engineering to build a 4 cylinder that could take the heat and pressures of a turbo. I drove a Mercedes loaner with a 4T and they did a fine quality job all around except the power falls off slightly at around 60 mph.. No lag present at any rpm unlike the previous generation 4T's. Noisy, and unrefined.
Thanks for your input on the EB's. We'll see what happens. A longshot is that Ford did some re-engineering on the Bronco and that is causing the time delay.
I'm not holding my breath.

Sounds like the death wobble as you call it, is something that was present in my Rangers and my Explorer. The side to side rocking motion was a bit excessive. As such, I never pushed them hard off road. Not very stable.
Just some FYI. My GLK350 4-matic loves to be pushed. A wolf in grocery-getter clothing.


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Let me guess Todd. Are you a die-hard Chevy man?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.


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Should have been out by now. Anyone else interested in one?
Bet it comes out in a 4T. Then I'm out.


Interested in one? If it says FORD on it anywhere, I'm not!!

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All new technology looks good on paper and computer modeling, it's what happens after production that really matters. Ford is no different than other automakers, it's just they hang on to their bad decisions a lot longer than any other manufacturer.

The problem that I am seeing with truck in particular is no one is really engineering them for serious off road use other than Jeep, Dodge and arguably the Raptor, however, the Raptor is using the freaking EcoBoost engine now. WTF Ford?

But even the new Hiluxs in Africa and Australia are a POS with all sorts of engine and transmission problems. They once were bulletproof. But Toyota is building their trucks and SUVs for the Urban Soccer Mom environment just like everyone else. But at the end of the day, that's 99% of the US market.


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Let me guess Todd. Are you a die-hard Chevy man?
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Should have been out by now. Anyone else interested in one?
Bet it comes out in a 4T. Then I'm out.


Interested in one? If it says FORD on it anywhere, I'm not!!

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Actually, Dodge. Got a 2004 Ram 4x4 Cummins with more than 400,000 miles and the only thing done to it has been to replace the fuel injectors at 300,000 miles and 1 lift pump at about 250,000 miles. Still has the original, un-rebuilt transmission, and I pulled a 40' fifth wheel RV with it for several years.

My issue with FORDs is from owning 5 of them in the past, starting in 1977 and the last sometime around 2005. EACH AND EVERY ONE of them was a lemon. I've described the issues on AR before.

I'll never own another FORD product. In fact, I drew the line at 4 lemons but my Dad talked me into taking his Exploder in exchange for giving my Isuzu Trooper to my sister back in the late 1990's. That Exploder shit a throw out gear while having the emissions test done for the yearly inspection. Turns out the State of TX had an exception for that test on Exploders noting that revving the engine for the test was known to destroy the plastic gear so it wasn't required. My shop didn't know about it but really, plastic gears? First indication of an issue was when it wouldn't go into reverse to come off the lift after the test. Turns out, it wouldn't go into any gear. Using plastic is part of planned obsolesce. I'm not into buying a new truck every 100,000 miles. I'm into buying vehicles built to last.

Done with them. The descriptions of the ecoboost engines above are just par for the course with FORD in my experience.

But YMMV!


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Can't blame you then. I had been a Ford fan for at least 3 decades until around 2005 or so when I dabbled with used Mercedes-Benz's. Since then it's been Benz's all the way except for my Wife's Focus that we bought new (our last Ford). It had no issues and I bought her a SLK300 with 29,000 miles on it and traded the Focus. That MB had a tranny glitch where it was get stuck between 2nd and 3rd gear due to improper electronic signals. This happened about every three months. Re-starting the engine re-started the tranny and it was fine. But, it became more frequent. We traded that one on a C250 4cyl. Other than the noisy engine and overall watered down quality, it was dependable.
Long story shorter.
Ford would have to pull a rabbit out of their hat to get me to buy a Bronco. If not, no worries. Both our Benz's are fine, both have the 3.5 engine. Knock on wood, both will go 250K plus. Cheers.

Current: 2010 GLK350 4matic 95K Repair cost so far - $1250. 0 miles at purchase.
2013 C350 4matic 50K Repair cost - $0 26,000 miles at purchase.


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Any forced induction motor is going to have excessive blow-by. Cylinder pressures are higher. It's inevitable. Ecoboost's problem has been the direct injection. The EGR deposits on the intake valve would normally be reduced with the introduction of fuel in the air acting as a solvent on the valve. With DI, this isn't happening, so deposits accumulate and may cause valve interference. The catch can helps eliminate this. Should have been added from the factory, but Ford didn't think people would actually empty them. I ran one on my ecoboost and drained about 8-9 ozs of creamy coffee colored water/oil everytime I filled it up. The biggest ecoboost problem was the cam phasers leaking down, causing rattle on startup, and excessive timing chain wear. I let mine go and went with the 5.0. Been a great motor to me.


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Direct Injection and EGR was created as a direct result of the new EPA emission standards. So out of the box, DI engines meet the standards. However, within 10,000 - 15,000 miles, emissions increase and gas mileage decreases as valves begin to carbon up. So at the end of the day, we are basically at the same place as we would with fuel rail port injection. But of course DI engines and turbos don't last as long. Thank you very much.

Another notable moment in the asinine and fruitless attempt to "save the planet". 2020


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I have a 2015 Ram 2500 cummins with 130,000 miles.
Thinking about taking off the DEF system now that it is out of warranty. Everyone including a dealership suggested I do it. 4-5 better MPG and 1000 Lb ft of torque with a mild tune.
Are you familiar with this process? Been told about $2K.

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Originally posted by custombolt:
Let me guess Todd. Are you a die-hard Chevy man?
Not that there's anything wrong with that.


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Originally posted by Todd Williams:



quote:
Originally posted by custombolt:
Should have been out by now. Anyone else interested in one?
Bet it comes out in a 4T. Then I'm out.


Interested in one? If it says FORD on it anywhere, I'm not!!

clap


Actually, Dodge. Got a 2004 Ram 4x4 Cummins with more than 400,000 miles and the only thing done to it has been to replace the fuel injectors at 300,000 miles and 1 lift pump at about 250,000 miles. Still has the original, un-rebuilt transmission, and I pulled a 40' fifth wheel RV with it for several years.

My issue with FORDs is from owning 5 of them in the past, starting in 1977 and the last sometime around 2005. EACH AND EVERY ONE of them was a lemon. I've described the issues on AR before.

I'll never own another FORD product. In fact, I drew the line at 4 lemons but my Dad talked me into taking his Exploder in exchange for giving my Isuzu Trooper to my sister back in the late 1990's. That Exploder shit a throw out gear while having the emissions test done for the yearly inspection. Turns out the State of TX had an exception for that test on Exploders noting that revving the engine for the test was known to destroy the plastic gear so it wasn't required. My shop didn't know about it but really, plastic gears? First indication of an issue was when it wouldn't go into reverse to come off the lift after the test. Turns out, it wouldn't go into any gear. Using plastic is part of planned obsolesce. I'm not into buying a new truck every 100,000 miles. I'm into buying vehicles built to last.

Done with them. The descriptions of the ecoboost engines above are just par for the course with FORD in my experience.

But YMMV!


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As long as your state/city/municipality doesn't mandate emission testing for license plate renewal, then the DEF delete kit is simple enough to do.

But I would search https://www.igotacummins.com/forum for others who have done it.

DEF is yet another bad idea invented to meet EPA standards.


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