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jewel bolt or not? pics please
22 September 2007, 08:11
Mike_Dettorrejewel bolt or not? pics please
please post pics of custom rifles with and without jeweled bolts...thanks
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3. There is a difference in the performance of two identical projectiles launched at the same velocity if they came from different cartridges.
4. While a double rifle is the perfect DGR, every 375HH bolt gun needs to be modified to carry at least 5 down.
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6. The Remington 700 is unreliable regardless of the fact it is the basis of the USMC M40 sniper rifle for 40+ years with no changes to the receiver or extractor and is the choice of more military and law enforcement sniper units than any other rifle.
7. PF actions are not suitable for a DGR and it is irrelevant that the M1, M14, M16, & AK47 which were designed for hunting men that can shoot back are all PF actions.
8. 95 deg F in Africa is different than 95 deg F in TX or CA and that is why you must worry about ammunition temperature in Africa (even though most safaris take place in winter) but not in TX or in CA.
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22 September 2007, 09:23
vapodogMike,
Jeweled or polished is purely a matter of personal preference.....there is actually very little to no functional advantage in jeweling even though is is claimed that it holds a bit of oil for lube.
as I said.....some things just look nice without jeweling:
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22 September 2007, 11:01
Westpacquote:
Originally posted by Mike_Dettorre:
please post pics of custom rifles with and without jeweled bolts...thanks
Oh brother...
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22 September 2007, 11:21
dempseyNice bolt-ons.
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22 September 2007, 16:20
vapodogWELL???????.....if you had "guns" like that, would you want them jeweled!?
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22 September 2007, 18:57
DMB
Some jewels are just better than others...
22 September 2007, 19:13
tnekkccGirls look better without implants.
Jeweling guns for men is a waste of time.
22 September 2007, 19:47
gunmakerAn old G&H 30-06 from a matched pair.
22 September 2007, 19:57
df06Another route to go is have the bolt spiral fluted. I just did on a sheep rifle that Jim Kobe made me. Cost was about $75.
Don't believe that it adds anything functionally, but it looks nice to some people and gives a custom look.
Nice racks above.
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22 September 2007, 20:25
srtrax How long have you been setting on that picture, just to spring it on us!
Anyway, i like the jeweled bolt on a pure custom rifle, it doesnt belong on a stainless, with a plastic stock.??? Just my way of thinking!!!
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22 September 2007, 20:43
ForrestBLike vapodog said, it's a matter of personal preference. I prefer custom guns that whisper, not shout, so my preference is for a nice polished bolt without jeweling. If the rest of the rifle is done nicely, it shouldn't need jeweling to say "custom".
I think jeweling is sometimes used to catch your eye so that you don't notice how crappy the rest of the rifle looks.
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22 September 2007, 21:13
Westpacquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
I think jeweling is sometimes used to catch your eye so that you don't notice how crappy the rest of the rifle looks.
Gotta be some truth in that. Some of my most productive fishing/trolling lures were jewelled.
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22 September 2007, 22:00
flacoIsn't it tough being on the same forum as ForrestB?
Once again, he's stated my position, but... a little better thought out, and... better expressed.
The guy's almost infallible.
LOL.
flaco
22 September 2007, 23:59
Bent FossdalThe thing is, that jeweling can look decent when it is new. After some wera and use, in my book a jeweled bolt looks worse than a polished one.
And i want my customers to be pleased even after 100 rounds.
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23 September 2007, 00:45
vapodogquote:
I think jeweling is sometimes used to catch your eye so that you don't notice how crappy the rest of the rifle looks.
I would not debate the merit of this statement, however, such smiths as Echols and Burgess offer the service to their rifles.
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23 September 2007, 01:04
tiggertateThis is a question, not a comment. I have had more than one occasion where jeweling a follower improved feeding and why wouldn't jeweling the bolt do the same for bolt drag? You are reducing the contact area by a substantiual amount. Maybe this was once upon a time the quick way to slick up a bolt?
Another reason I ask is because if it were purely about
BLING, why wouldn't the tacky and tasteless be jeweling entire recievers? Or at least floorplates, trigger guards, barrels, and/or other accessories? Curious minds want to know!
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23 September 2007, 01:37
Westpacquote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
I would not debate the merit of this statement, however, such smiths as Echols and Burgess offer the service to their rifles.
I think you'll find "most" gunsmiths/builders offer the service if the customer want's it.
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23 September 2007, 02:46
rem721quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
quote:
I think jeweling is sometimes used to catch your eye so that you don't notice how crappy the rest of the rifle looks.
I would not debate the merit of this statement, however, such smiths as Echols and Burgess offer the service to their rifles.
The operative word being SOMETIMES. Obviously not when Burgess or Echols make them.
23 September 2007, 02:54
MarcI have a Win 70 featherweight that was jeweled when new. After some use, like Bent says, it's not jeweled now. It would look better polished.
23 September 2007, 03:39
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by Marc:
I have a Win 70 featherweight that was jeweled when new. After some use, like Bent says, it's not jeweled now. It would look better polished.
Yup and I have rejeweled them and they look nice again.
I also have an old Remington that originally had a polished bolt and that bolt burnishes a new pattern every few years.....I just repolish it and it looks nice again.
For sure it's a lot easier to repolish than rejewel but then again....it's what trips one's trigger.
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23 September 2007, 09:00
ForrestBquote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
...but then again....it's what trips one's trigger.
Not exactly. Everyone needs to get onboard with whatever I say about things.
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23 September 2007, 17:59
DMBquote:
Originally posted by ForrestB:
quote:
Originally posted by vapodog:
...but then again....it's what trips one's trigger.
Not exactly. Everyone needs to get onboard with whatever I say about things.
I like jeweled bolts...
23 September 2007, 22:40
Paul Bquote:
Girls look better without implants.
I'll second that thought. I never did like the feel of a set of boob that felt like an overinflated toy ballon.
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24 September 2007, 03:38
white bisonIt's a matter of taste, of course...a jeweled bolt has no real function that I can see...merely
decorative & kinda nice...but along with the other's comments...when the jeweled wears it looks worse than if it had never been done.
I wouldn't bother doing it. I had a worn jeweled bolt on a quality rifle, and when it got worn ...
just had it highly polished.
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24 September 2007, 16:15
RenegadeRNI will third the belief about inflated chests...however, Vapodog? If you are able to put even one of those on my bolt...I WILL send ALL my bolts to you!
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25 September 2007, 06:24
srtraxO.K. lets keep the trigger pulled, in that case why have the stock checkered, i've never had one squirt out of my hands because it didnt have any, and we should not get into engraving. Its what you want, and what makes us all diffrent.
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25 September 2007, 07:32
ireload2Not all bolts are perfect. Some have heavy tool marks, file marks from deburring, undercuts and cutter mismatches. To polish all those things out would often leave you with a wavy hideous surface.
Jeweling can breakup the surface appearance enough to keep the little defects from jumping out at you like a tattoo. Otherwise they can be blued to hide the hickeys.
25 September 2007, 08:48
richjFrosted.
25 September 2007, 09:42
dempseyrich, I really like that, can you explain the process?
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25 September 2007, 10:20
vapodogquote:
Originally posted by dempsey:
rich, I really like that, can you explain the process?
I reminds me of the scraping of the ways and tables of a Bridgeport and other machine tools.
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25 September 2007, 21:11
richjdempsey
My 'smith did it.. It looks like a spear point abrasive point is used.
Rich
quote:
Originally posted by dempsey:
rich, I really like that, can you explain the process?
25 September 2007, 22:57
Aspen Hill AdventuresVapo's work (on my rifle):
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26 September 2007, 01:06
vapodogAnn had much of her Whitworth customized by NECG and I felt honored to be asked to do the jeweling.....it's such a beautiful rifle....very simple and elegant in that simplicity.
Well done Ann!
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26 September 2007, 01:36
TrophyShotPrintsVapodog, like I said before...
You do some great work!
Good job guy!!!
26 September 2007, 03:24
dempseyI don't really buy the argument jeweling is an attempt to cover up other sub par work on the rifle, there are a couple suberb rifles is SDH's book that have jeweled bolts. I just don't like any embellishment that draws ones attention away from the rifle as a whole. That includes over the top engraving and complex checkering patterns. I suppose I prefer rifles that others might find plain.
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26 September 2007, 04:23
22WRFquote:
Originally posted by richj:
Frosted.
I don't know about that "frosting" but I sure do like that bolt knob checkering. who is the Smith that did it. Nice.
26 September 2007, 05:09
TMGRE: RichJ's bolt, I think JBelk called that "worm tracks."
I personally like it much more than jewelling. He had a picture of such a bolt in a very nicely done classic rifle, and it was nice.
T
26 September 2007, 08:28
manhassetSome of the Griffin and Howe Mauser sporters also had a worm track patten. Similar to the above but not a busy, a simple line pattern. There are examples in Speeds Mauser Originals.
26 September 2007, 08:43
richjMakes sense, he was a Griffin guy. George Beitzinger in NYC.
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quote:
Originally posted by manhasset:
Some of the Griffin and Howe Mauser sporters also had a worm track patten. Similar to the above but not a busy, a simple line pattern. There are examples in Speeds Mauser Originals.
26 September 2007, 08:51
manhassetrichj,
is Geo. Beitzinger the gunsmith who works out of Chapel Sports (sp.?) in Richmond Hill, Queens ?