Argentine 1909 Question??

27 January 2010, 08:08

Were any 1909s made in Argentina on european machinery.

I am looking at a receiver that has an Argentine crest on the front receiver.

On the left side it is roll marked F.M.A.P., and some non standard (for me anyway) verbage in espanol.

Any feed back would be appeciated.

Thanks,

lawndart

PS The photos are not mine to post.

27 January 2010, 08:19

Bobster

quote:
Originally posted by Bobster:
They were made in Argentina, but I don't know if it was on European machinery.

Here is the production history(from another forum):

M1909 FMAP

1947............................000001-000500
1948............................000501-003500
1949............................003501-006500
1950............................006501-009500
1951............................009501-012500
1952............................012501-015175
1953............................015176-016175
1954............................015676-016470
1955............................016471-016970
1956............................016971-017970
1957............................017971-018661
1958............................018662-018906
1959............................018907-019072

27 January 2010, 08:51

lawndart

Many Thanks!

27 January 2010, 09:48

z1r

There were some actions made in the 30's, '35 I believe, that were German made and marked with German commercial proofs.

The FMAP carbines were made as I understand it under license obtained from Mauser and on machinery designed, built, and equiped by Fritz Werner Actiengesellschaft of Berlin-Marienfelde. The equipment arrived in 1926-1927 but went straight into storage as Argentina was experiencing financial difficulties. The Factory was built in the early 40's and the first carbines rolled out in 1947.

28 January 2010, 10:36

lawndart

Thanks Mike,

I went ahead and jumped on it.

Charlie

28 January 2010, 20:03

Tommyhawk

IMO the ones made in Argentina are the reason the the 1909 Argentina actions got a reputation for being 'soft'. and needing to be re-hardened. I've owned several of these over the yrs. and everyone of them were soft. I've also owned quite a few made in Germany. They were all hard.

28 January 2010, 21:36

JD Miller

Is there a difference in the stampings, is one a smaller/finer "font" than the other?

28 January 2010, 22:20

Leo L.

Mine is serial number P36XX, and it's stamped "Mauser Modelo Argentno 1909", and "Deutsche Waffen-Und Munitionsfabriken Berlin". I wonder where it was made.

29 January 2010, 01:20

Paul B

DWM's were made in Germany I believe.
Paul B.

29 January 2010, 02:35

lawndart

Tommyhawk,

Thanks for that bit of information. This action will be easy to work on, then it is off to Pac Metal, Blanchards or Salt Lake city to get carburized/re-heat treated/hardened.

"I'll take a Tom Burgess/D'arcy Echols special to go please."

Can y'all say 404 Rimless Nitro Express, iron sights only (warthog up front).

Mike, I need a new bolt handle.

Anyone making cocking piece peep sights these days?

29 January 2010, 02:53

Jim Kobe

Someone at the guild show had donated one to the auction but damned if Ican remember who it was.

29 January 2010, 04:05

x2mosg

lawndart,

Roger Ferrell had a cocking piece peep on a 1936 Mexican that he was working on for himself. I saw it when I was there last February. I'll be having that incorporated onto my 1910 Mexican when I can get started on it.

Roger is in Fayetteville, GA (Atlanta airport). His number is (770)460-0533. He might be able to make you one.

David

29 January 2010, 06:17

z1r

quote:
Originally posted by Tommyhawk:
IMO the ones made in Argentina are the reason the the 1909 Argentina actions got a reputation for being 'soft'. and needing to be re-hardened. I've owned several of these over the yrs. and everyone of them were soft. I've also owned quite a few made in Germany. They were all hard.

That's not been my experience. Quite the opposite.

Charlie,

Just let me know when you are ready.

29 January 2010, 10:34

Tommyhawk

quote:
Originally posted by z1r:
quote:
Originally posted by Tommyhawk:
IMO the ones made in Argentina are the reason the the 1909 Argentina actions got a reputation for being 'soft'. and needing to be re-hardened. I've owned several of these over the yrs. and everyone of them were soft. I've also owned quite a few made in Germany. They were all hard.

That's not been my experience. Quite the opposite.

Charlie,

Just let me know when you are ready.

*** That's good to know. Check all of them and re-harden as necessary or desired.