.....I'm also the sort of guy who has taken over thirty mule deer bucks and over twenty bull elk on my own, out of my own camps, without any sort of a guide whatsoever. I'm also the sort of guy who went to school and worked at the same time with four hours of sleep a night for over four years running. I'm also the sort of guy who purchased, rebuilt and resold old farm equipment on the side in order to pay for any sort of hunting rifle or shotgun I wanted to own from the age of eighteen to twenty five. I remember driving and pulling a trailer over 400 miles to net $200 on the sale of an Oliver tractor one time, and that's just one episode.....
I'm also the guy who lived like a pauper and worked like a sonofabitch for a dozen years after college just to barely make ends meet, and I'm the sort of guy with a wife who had two little girls and a Cream Of Wheat budget who also worked fourteen-hour days to just barely get by...... I'm also the guy who got the type education and ran the sort of business risks (risk and reward go hand-in-hand, by the way, just in case you didn't know....) that could sink a dozen years of gut-busting work (including falling trees for a logging company on the side), all in an effort to make a dream or two come true.
Yeah, I'm the sort of guy who owns a Miller rifle or two, and has a few trophies on the wall alright: I paid the price to own 'em. I laid the foundation a long time ago to have 'em, and I did it all the old fashioned way.
Now save your ignorant bullshit for somebody who's interested. If you don't like your lot in life, get to work and change it.......
AD
As far as there being no difference between a $3000 rifle and a $30000, well, yeah and neigh. If one wants to take their toyoto celica to Cheech and Chongs auto body, to have the springs cut, and air dams fit, and say, hey, theres no difference between my car, and that AMG benz, then in a way, he's right, both cars get one between point A and point B, and few folks are capable of driving the benz to its potential, nor is it likely ever that one will have a chance to on public roads.
Some folks would much rather bitch about what they don't and likely won't ever have, then make an effort to get them.
A number of Gun builders get that kind of money for their guns but they starved to death for the first 30 years...so they have a right to except what the market demands...So Miller deserves his pay. Boddington and Carmichael do also, they had to work hard to get there, I'm thinking thats the American way and it ain't all that bad...
Now to pay a baseball player 25 million, but thats another story!!
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Ray Atkinson
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If you'd like I can give you 20 to 30 other Manufacturers, writers and other leaders in the industry to bash since it makes you feel good. To the rest of us, who would like to carry on an intelligent conversation, you are a fool. But one good thing has come from it, and that is that you've totally removed all doubt, and we can all agree that intelligence is lacking from your gene pool! And any other responses to your posts are not needed! Thank you!
Kirk Kelso
What type of AMG do you have?
Have you seen or heard anything on the Brabus E series 6.7? Brabus has the worlds fastest sedan, wagon, and one other type of vehicle thats a world record holder. I think they set the world record for a sedan at over 320MPH... Nice cars..
BTW my fav benz is the E55...or is it the 2003 SL55? 700 torque...wow...
A long time ago I used to know a gentleman who was one of H&H Directors - unfortunately he has gone to the Happy Hunting Grounds.
I was looking for a Sako rifle one day in their shop in London, I saw that they had some Sako rifles, priced at about twice the normal price.
When I examine one of these rifles, I saw this written on the barrel SHOT AND REGULATED BY H&H.
I asked Jeremy how do they justify doubling the price by justing sighting the rifle in?
He said " They shoot better now! But I don't think you would want of these. I am sure you would enjoy regulating it yourself, so just buy a standard rifle. Of course, you won't have SHOT AND REGULATED BY H&H engraved on the barrel. Knowing you, that would not mean much anyway, would it?"
No, Jeremy it would not.
Jeremy was a very knowledgeable hunter and shooter. I enjoyed hunting and shooting with him both here and in England.
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saeed@ emirates.net.ae
www.accuratereloading.com
I haven't said good things about the miller classic, but if YOU like it, more power to you.
Well done.
Undoubtedly the H&H rifle is trading strongly on name and I think it is aimed at a market with much more money to spend than is the case for the Miller rifle.
If I had the money I would get the H&H probably becuase I am a sucker for that last bastion of English bullshit and tradition etc and of course I would have the double. There is just no other country who can do that so well.
However I would need my separate all out accuracy rifles in the same calibers and for that to be achieved you need a rifle that can be worked on without fear or have a lot shots put through it etc.
The Miller combines both name and accuracy but like all packages there are compromises in each department.
A few years ago I went very close to ordering an H&H in 375 but the price is extremely high once you start to add some exorbitant extras like nice wood, scope mounts and a recoil pad! The problem is that the cost is very high for what amounts to their crappy product.
Miller's rifle is the top end of his products which does make it far more attractive for us shooters who are not multi multi millioniares (which of course is our own fault) but because it lacks the name, tradition etc.it then has to stand simply on its merrits as a rifle. In my opinion it is vastly overpriced when all things are considered.
Mike
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There is no such thing as THE BEST RIFLE IN THE WORLD.
We saw an advert for Jarrett Rifles in one of the magazine in our hunting camp, and Kenny was saying something like "people come to me and tell me they use my rifles to shoot elk off hand at 395 yards, duikers at 400 yards and....at 700 yards"
One of our PH said: "What a load of bloody rubish! I can't even SEE a duiker at that distance, let alone shoot the bloody thing!"
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saeed@ emirates.net.ae
www.accuratereloading.com
I want to put you on the spot, as you are a diplomat by nature.
Do you feel if you had a David Miller rifle you would see gains in accuracy as compared to what you put together over there
Mike
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Absolutely not!
I build the best rifles in the world - for myself! And no gunsmith, living or dead can beat that
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saeed@ emirates.net.ae
www.accuratereloading.com
I mean, if this piece existed, we would have ONE rifle only, and we would all have the same !!!
Nightmare, it would be.
Don't you have a wife to convince that you NEED another firestick ? Isn't it part of the fun, to look for a piece that will suit you, and use it as much as possible ?
My best toy is now a ruger in 350RM, but I am sure I will enjoy my blaser attach�, with its compactness, lightness, is gorgeous wood, fluted barrel, and so on.
In any case, my 350 will stay just in case. And I will use it again for sure !
And then, I have no African rifle - I need a 416 rigby, I just hesitate between a Johanssen and a Heym big bore.
olivier
350RM--those rifles you mentioned are nice. For me, I think it would be the Johanssen Classic (a true classic) But, have you looked at Dumoulin rifles? I think it's www.dumoulin-herstal.com. I'm not sure, but I heard they were French, so you may have already checked them out. But I guess, for the money, they're an exceptional buy. And they have lots of options, plus they look nice, at east to me. (and even Boddington has/or has hunted with one..refer to "Where Lions Roar."
Tot ziens boys
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JR
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JR
Excellent and well thought out replies to
an imbecile are indeed a sign of a great
man. Keep it up, he only needs a little
more rope!
Here is some shameless self promotion in
the hope that I can get abused as well!!
Ross
May someone please post a few pictures of David Miller rifles for us ignorant ones .
Reading this thread from start to end has fueled my desire to view a David Miller rifle. By the way I have seen some Hollands .
In the days that this saying was coined both the cook "pot" and the "kettle" hung in the fireplace therefore they we both black.
Put simply it means that one stupid person shouldn't call another person stupid. Similar to "people who live in glass houses should not throw stones".
I hope that I have answered your question correctly.
Now, what does "Tot ziens" stand for? Is it Austrian dialect? If so don't explain as I know then what it means.
I will atempt to explain tot ziens- its Dutch for good bye or see ya later. More of an informal speech then formal or proper. Not quite slang but more of a use between friends and family.
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Ray Atkinson
You should have a pretty good custom rifle by any standards.
Good shooting
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May be you should spare a thought for us here when it comes to what we have to pay for a rifle.
First there are no gunshops one can purchase anything from - except an air rifle.
We get a few rifles being sold by individuals, and the prices are pretty stable.
A BRNO 452 .22 Rim Fire costs over US$800.
A Sako S491 .223 goes for over US$2,700.
.308 Winchester ammo costs US$ 1.36 per round.
.22 Rimfire ammo costs about US$19.00 per box of 50.
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saeed@ emirates.net.ae
www.accuratereloading.com
AD
It is really very simple. By law we are allowed to own guns. But the stipulation is that we need a permit from the police. This permit is very difficult to come by, so no one bothers about it any more.
I would imagine a high percentage of household have guns in them.
When we want to get a firearm, we apply for an Import Permit. Again, this can take a day or a year to obtain.
Our next door neighbor, Oman, has some gun shops, and one does not need any permit to purchase them. So what happens is a lot of people from here go over to Oman, buy what they want and bring it back into the country, and try to flog them at a profit. Only problem is there is not so much of a choice there, hence my mention of the BRNO 22s and the Sakos in 223.
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saeed@ emirates.net.ae
www.accuratereloading.com
How do you bring powder over and also primers.
Mike
I find it quite hard to see why you should pay alot of money for a rifle built on remington, sako or winchester when you can get "true custom" made for the same money.