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7.62x39 AR-15 mag substitute?
15 June 2009, 01:59
Alberta Canuck7.62x39 AR-15 mag substitute?
I notice 30-round mags for feeding 5.56x39 cartridges through the AR-15 are currently available for well under $30. Is there any reason those would not also be a good option to feed the 7.62x39 uppers?
15 June 2009, 05:47
jimatcatthe way i understand it, is, the 7.62 x 39 has a bigger rim diameter then the 5.56.... and needs the curve of a magazine to make it feed properly.... if the case was the same diameter all the way up from the rim to shoulder, they stack easier....
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15 June 2009, 06:49
CRUSHERthe ridge on the inside that keeps the rounds from restacking under recoil will be too tight.
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15 June 2009, 17:52
butchlocit should work - the base 5.4x39 is the same as the 7.62x39. 223 mags won't work after about 5 rounds, needs more curve in the mag.
16 June 2009, 00:53
Alberta CanuckActually, the ONLY thing I have found different about the two rounds mentioned (7.62x39 and 5.56x39) is the bullet diameter. The 5.56x39 Russian is a necked down 7.62x39 Russian (com-block). Neither has anything to do with the standard 5.56 NATO round.
The 7/62 x39 feeds fine manually through the 5.56 x39 magazine, in the 7.62x39 upper receiver on my AR-15 (DPMS upper). But, I have not been able to try it in live-fire at the range yet due to ill health.
I asked because I wanted to know if anyone out there actually HAD tried it, or knew of a basic reason it would not work. If it is known to work, then I could use some of my recovery time loading up a bunch of ammo for it.
16 June 2009, 17:50
butchlocalbert - before you start loading - the russian round is a 5.45x39 not a 5.56. it is a sub 22 caliber. the bullet weighs 63 grains to more or less copy the US 5.56, velocity as i clocked it was 2960FPS
17 June 2009, 01:49
Alberta Canuckquote:
Originally posted by butchloc:
albert - before you start loading - the russian round is a 5.45x39 not a 5.56. it is a sub 22 caliber. the bullet weighs 63 grains to more or less copy the US 5.56, velocity as i clocked it was 2960FPS
Actually I knew that Butch, but thanks for reminding me...it had slipped my mind entirely...I kept thinking .22....
But in this case it makes no difference. It is the 7.62x39 I will be loading, as that is what my upper is. It is only the 5.45 MAGAZINES I will be using (or trying to use), with 7.62x39 ammo in them.
The only .22 Russian ammo I have used/will be using in a rifle is the stuff for my .220 Russian varmint rifle...and that, of course, is yet another round on the same basic brass, with a slightly different shape and using full diameter .224" bullets. That rifle, BTW, is built on a Paramount "Quad-Lite" action.
18 June 2009, 07:42
CRUSHERtry pri inc they make the correct magazine
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18 June 2009, 08:06
bartschequote:
Originally posted by Alberta Canuck:
But, I have not been able to try it in live-fire at the range yet due to ill health.
then I could use some of my recovery time loading up a bunch of ammo for it.

Since when do you need an excuse to reload?

sounds like good thairapeee to me. Oh! should you be interested I still have quite a few .310 dia. bullets; SPs. and FMJs

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18 June 2009, 17:58
airgun17.62 x 39 mags over 10 rds just do not tend to feed flawlessly in an AR-15. C-Products makes good mags for them. If reliability is a major concern stick with 20 rd mags or less. It is that final straight 2" in an AR magwell which causes the trouble.
C-products took a longtime to bring out there current 7.62 mags, perhaps they have solved some of the troubles with high cap mags. My friend bought a few 10's and 20's C-Products mags (loooong wait, last year, way before the election shortage) but doesn't shoot enough for me to say they solved the problems.
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