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Gun Coatings / Thank You
30 April 2024, 02:34
Paul KGun Coatings / Thank You
I would like to thank the Gentlemen Gunsmiths who reached out to help me. It was greatly appreciated, especially the ones who took the time to PM me.
Thank You
Paul K
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30 April 2024, 03:26
richjwas it these folks Black T
https://black-t.com/30 April 2024, 05:17
rcraigProbably something similar to Ceracote. Lots of "variations".
https://www.armorlube.com/a-co...pray%2Don%20coatings.
03 May 2024, 21:12
AtkinsonFinishes ware, for bad weather use a composite stock and stainless steel, I don't care for such but it does solve all the weather problems.
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
05 May 2024, 18:22
LuckyduckerThis "T coating" you have had applied is probably Teflon coating. I had an older custom rifle with a blued FN commercial action and a rough barrel chambered in 308NM. I had a smith re-barrel to 264Win with a stainless Shilen barrel but didn't care for the two tone look, so he sent it somewhere and had the barrel Teflon coated. I like stainless steel barrels simply because they are easier to clean, at least for me.
Dennis
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09 May 2024, 05:47
AtkinsonHarold Johnson, Coopers Landing Alaska creator of the 450 Alaskan and the fifty, when asked what he
thought about stainless steel and synthetic stock his reply was "When you've been a Marine the one thing you learn to do is clean your rifle. I agree it works as have never had much use for anything but wood and rust blue. but to each his own!
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
Stainless and synthetic still needs to be cleaned.
Old Corps
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FJB
09 May 2024, 15:10
p dog shooterStainless and synthetic is the way to go for firearms that are subject to hard use.
Having inspected thousands of firearms in my Law enforcement career as a armorer.
The stainless, synthetic firearms take punishment that would turn a blued wood stock one into a rusted mess.
Just for a test I took my stainless, synthetic stocked Ruger 77 MKII 416
Taylor out deer hunting. Four days of rain and slop. Out of a soft case in the morning into the soft case at the end of the day.
Other then in and out of the case nothing else was done as far as cleaning.
At the end of the four days of hunting one could not tell it had been used to kill some deer.
A quick wipe down with a slightly oil rag. Back into the safe as good as it came out.
Forget your blued, wood stocked firearm in a wet case even for a few hours. Rust on the metal and discolor on the finfish.
Leave it over night and pits well appear.
Dog tired, hungry, cold, gear wet, snow falling, living in a tent, without heat have fun cleaning your rifle.
Give me stainless synthetic any day for rough going.
09 May 2024, 19:29
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)This ground has been plowed about a hundred times (that I can remember)
NOTHING is absolute and just because somebody wrote it down don't make it so
09 May 2024, 21:43
AtkinsonYeah and most cops can abuse firearms like trashing an anvil with a powder puff unless they are monitored..Ive pulled out a few pistol that were green from never being out of there holster.
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
10 May 2024, 03:41
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)quote:
Originally posted by rcraig:
Stainless and synthetic still needs to be cleaned.
Some forget to read reading...It says stainLESS. While in WI, the Fish and Game bought a bunch of stainLESS Rugers..Lotsa unhappy when metal piitted (No care lavished whatsoever) Had to explain it don't mean NEVERstain .
10 May 2024, 04:38
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Yeah and most cops can abuse firearms like trashing an anvil with a powder puff unless they are monitored..Ive pulled out a few pistol that were green from never being out of there holster.
ou must be taking about brass cased ammo in ammo reseve pouch..Never saw Chome Moly rust "green"
10 May 2024, 04:40
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)quote:
Originally posted by p dog shooter:
Stainless and synthetic is the way to go for firearms that are subject to hard use.
Having inspected thousands of firearms in my Law enforcement career as a armorer.
The stainless, synthetic firearms take punishment that would turn a blued wood stock one into a rusted mess.
Just for a test I took my stainless, synthetic stocked Ruger 77 MKII 416
Taylor out deer hunting. Four days of rain and slop. Out of a soft case in the morning into the soft case at the end of the day.
Other then in and out of the case nothing else was done as far as cleaning.
At the end of the four days of hunting one could not tell it had been used to kill some deer.
A quick wipe down with a slightly oil rag. Back into the safe as good as it came out.
Forget your blued, wood stocked firearm in a wet case even for a few hours. Rust on the metal and discolor on the finfish.
Leave it over night and pits well appear.
Dog tired, hungry, cold, gear wet, snow falling, living in a tent, without heat have fun cleaning your rifle.
Give me stainless synthetic any day for rough going.
Personally, I take better care of my shovel!
10 May 2024, 08:16
sambarman338Teflon may be OK on rifles but I think it was the biggest con ever brought to frypans. Scrubbing stainless with steel wool may not be good for your guns but it works a treat in the kitchen.
10 May 2024, 10:04
Cougarzquote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
quote:
Originally posted by rcraig:
Stainless and synthetic still needs to be cleaned.
Some forget to read reading...It says stainLESS. While in WI, the Fish and Game bought a bunch of stainLESS Rugers..Lotsa unhappy when metal piitted (No care lavished whatsoever) Had to explain it don't mean NEVERstain .
that’s why in the aerospace biz at least stainless is instead called corrosion resistant steel. All steels will eventually corrode
Roger
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10 May 2024, 23:04
sliversquote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
It was a simple question to all of the professional gunsmiths who frequent this site. What is the best coating to use on a hard use hunting rifle?
I don't care about scrubbing pots and pans or causing a pissing match. You guys remind me of the old trucker joke. How many truck drivers does it take to change a light bulb? None, they just sit in the dark and BITCH about it. NEVER MIND I WILL JUST GOOGLE IT.
Thank You for all your enlightenment.
Paul k
I do both CeraCoat and Teflon GunKote in my shop and I get more calls for CeraCoat, although I cannot say one is better than the other when the metal is properly prepped and the coating properly applied and cured. CeraCoat definately has the better marketing. Been applying coatings for 25+yrs,,,,, but I prefer slow rust blue, for myself.
11 May 2024, 02:08
Uncle GrinchWe have a LGS that specializes in Cerakote, but they parkerize the base metal before doing the baked on Cerakote. It seems to really hold up well according to their reviews.
Shoot Safe,
Mike
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12 May 2024, 07:49
sambarman338quote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
It was a simple question to all of the professional gunsmiths who frequent this site. What is the best coating to use on a hard use hunting rifle?
I don't care about scrubbing pots and pans or causing a pissing match. You guys remind me of the old trucker joke. How many truck drivers does it take to change a light bulb? None, they just sit in the dark and BITCH about it. NEVER MIND I WILL JUST GOOGLE IT.
Thank You for all your enlightenment.
Paul k
Touche! I wanted to be a proper gunsmith as a kid but my father found there was no established apprenticeship or training for the trade here.
Probably just as well - I see some clients, unlike Teflon, can be a bit sticky.
quote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
Years ago I had 2 custom rifles built for all weather in the mud type guns. At the time I sent them to a gunsmith in Texas and had them ,what he called T-coated. It is tough and impervious to water. Is it still around or is there something better ? I also believe that it was backed on.
Paul K
I believe Cerakote H and Elite are the most resistant. We use it for some applications (not guns).
BTW here is my weather resistant .585 HE. Synthetic stock, cerakote on stainless.
https://www.585he.cz/20 May 2024, 21:40
AtkinsonYes Duane its not rust, but if left on brass rust will form with it, at least on holstered pistols with brass cartridges or saddles with brass fixings such as cinch buckles etc,
Ray Atkinson
Atkinson Hunting Adventures
10 Ward Lane,
Filer, Idaho, 83328
208-731-4120
rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com
21 May 2024, 10:35
eagle27quote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
It was a simple question to all of the professional gunsmiths who frequent this site. What is the best coating to use on a hard use hunting rifle?
I don't care about scrubbing pots and pans or causing a pissing match. You guys remind me of the old trucker joke. How many truck drivers does it take to change a light bulb? None, they just sit in the dark and BITCH about it. NEVER MIND I WILL JUST GOOGLE IT.
Thank You for all your enlightenment.
Paul k
I always google for information first so I can ask specific questions and not appear completely ignorant of the subject.
What made you think asking "all of the professional gunsmiths who frequent this site" would give you a simple answer of the "best coating" to use.
There is no way in hell that all the top gunsmiths or authorities in the world would give the same answer backing a one and only product.
You got the range of answers that anyone should expect by asking a question on a forum. I don't see the need to get all snotty with everyone over it but on an open forum that of course is your choice.
23 May 2024, 03:53
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)A "simple question"... about guns...gotta be kidding!
24 May 2024, 07:02
eagle27Oh dear, someone their got their knickers in a twist and X terminated the discussion.
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24 May 2024, 21:41
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)C'mon...Paul !!!
25 May 2024, 06:36
eagle27quote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
I would like to thank the Gentlemen Gunsmiths who reached out to help me. It was greatly appreciated, especially the ones who took the time to PM me. I know now who is going to build and coat my rifle. As for some of you, I am sorry that you couldn't take the time to help an old man who just doesn't know everything and needed a little help.
Thank You
Paul K
That is the good thing about this forum, the free sharing of information amongst like minded people in so far as all things hunting and firearms are concerned. Of course most of us don't know one and other personally and we are not conversing face to face however a little respect goes a long way. Many of us are in the "old man" category, myself in early 70's.
Just because some of the discussion may twist and turn a little and is not exactly the information you are seeking is no reason to come back with smart comments and start shouting, which uppercase or for us oldies, capital letters, is generally recognised as shouting if used in forum discussions.
I was not part of this discussion in so far as suitable firearm coatings go but I am prepared to call out those that castigate other posters who are only trying contribute to a discussion.
Anyway old fella I hope you have got something from the discussion that answers your question. I'll leave you in peace.
To everyone:
I was definitely out of line and a little harsh and I apologize to those who I may have offended.
Paul K
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26 May 2024, 04:32
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)Damn nice of you to post that... Shows enormous character Best regards
27 May 2024, 06:09
sambarman338I suspect most of us are old here, Paul. I'm so old I've figured out the real reason old men are likely to be grumpy, though modern pharmaceuticals have changed the angle. It's as much grumpy old women now
Cheers
- Paul
Lord knows, I take enough of those and if I miss taking one in particular, oh boy!!! Just ask my wife of 54 years. I'm not a pleasant person to be around.
Paul K
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quote:
Originally posted by Paul K:
To everyone:
I was definitely out of line and a little harsh and I apologize to those who I may have offended.
Paul K
I liked your comment about my rifle. Not necessarily to delete
Jiri