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Re: Where do you get Charles Daly actions?
25 December 2004, 07:14
rootbeerRe: Where do you get Charles Daly actions?
The ad I saw is inaccessible until mid-January; I'll supply the adress when I am back in Nevada at that time. I'm in Virginia, home for Christmas, right now. Ho, ho, ho!!
21 December 2004, 04:23
South40Numrich's has new Zastava actions (Mark X) for $200 each
--S40
21 December 2004, 04:42
vapodogSouth40
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Numrich's has new Zastava actions (Mark X) for $200 each
http://www.e-gunparts.com/DisplayAd.asp?chrProductSKU=&chrSuperSKU=851010
I just looked at them......given that Charles Daly so stupidly refuses to honor it's warranty this option seems like a real bargain
modern forged '98 mauser action, bent bolt handle, adjustable trigger, safety conversion, drilled and tapped, hinged floorplate.......and blued as well.....that's a heck of a deal for guys that like to roll their own.
21 December 2004, 05:28
hm2i've gotten some from gunparts in the past and recently got one for a customer from jerry's sport center in forrest city,pa. they are wholesale distributors, so your gunsmith would have to send an ffl and open an account.
21 December 2004, 05:41
South40You don't need to be a dealer to purchase from Numrich. The $200 is the retail price - dealers can get them cheaper. The action does need to go to a FFL. -S40
24 December 2004, 05:24
rootbeerI saw a full-page ad in a Shotgun News that came out in mid-January (I saved it but it's not at hand right now) for actions and barrelled actions in many calibers, stainless and blued, and right and left hand configurations. The delivery dates were given as mostly through the months of May and August 2004. If everything works our right, there are no wars, floods, earthquakes, swarms of locusts or the occasional earthstrike of a billion-ton asteroid, these actions should be ready for shipping in another 18-24 months at double the prices listed. Hold your breath!!
24 December 2004, 06:00
FjoldI called KBI Inc a few months ago and they said that the only left handed Charles Daly products that they will offer in the foreseeable future are blue steel, complete guns in 223 and 30.06
24 December 2004, 06:46
hm2i believe kbi told you a story. in the past three months i have ordered and received two left hand chrome moly .223 mini actions, one left hand chrome moly 30-06 action and one left hand .223 superior grade blued rifle. i don't know how many have made these shores,but i have held four left handed ones so far.
max
24 December 2004, 06:49
FjoldThat's great, what kept me from buying one was having only the option of blue guns in two calibers. Actions I can buy.
Since you have a mini-action in hand, can you tell me if it's long enough to fit a 204 cartridge?
24 December 2004, 06:56
hm2if you can tell me the oal of the 204 i will ask the customer i sold them to if he would measure the box. i'm sure he will and i will get back to you.
max
24 December 2004, 07:05
hm2i just checked gunparts for their inventory. their pricing is different than what is being posted and they don't list anything in lefthanded stainless steel yet.
they do list the magazine box as being 2.29 inches. hope this helps
max
25 December 2004, 07:57
FjoldHey Max, the COL for the 204 is 2.250" so that 2.29" mag box length will work.
Thanks,
Frank
25 December 2004, 10:35
Iron BuckI bought a Left Handed Charles Daly action from PHH (Pittsburgh Handgun Headquarters) Phone number 412-766-6100 located in Pittsburgh PA. It came in a few weeks ago. They deal with rifles as well as pistols & teh owner is a gunsmith who builds his own rifles. They can get the actions for you, in both right & left handed.
I have read a lot on this site about the Zastava actions being bad. That was not the case with mine. I was pleased with it, especially at the price
. Mine will be a 35 Whelen with a 23" Douglas barrel & McMillan stock. Here it is so far
25 December 2004, 11:05
ZachQuote:
I have read a lot on this site about the Zastava actions being bad. That was not the case with mine.
How did you determine that? Those sako's that recently blew up looked fine too until they let go.
25 December 2004, 12:36
<raindeer>I too was impressed by the descriptions and pics at the C.D webpage, so I made some enquiries over here.
No leading gunshop in the Netherlands or Germany I contacted was willing or able to deliver any of their barrelled actions. I was shown a few Zastava rifles and my interest in them was down the drain instantly. Interested in a bargain Mauser type action or rifle? Go for CZ products and look no further!
The price of a rifle is not important, as price is always in balance with quality.
So decide which of the two is more important to you and you don't have to worry you might want to blame the maker once you get convinced you made a mistake!
25 December 2004, 19:32
JALQuote:
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I have read a lot on this site about the Zastava actions being bad. That was not the case with mine.
How did you determine that? Those sako's that recently blew up looked fine too until they let go.
I don't think anyone has suggested they may blow up.
They have been making them from about 18dot.
Some fanatics would condem anything not finished to
Purdy standard.
Mine is a mini mouser (sic) and I couldn't be more pleased
with it. Sure it "grated" a bit when new, but soon
polished itself.
John L.
25 December 2004, 19:45
JALQuote:
I too was impressed by the descriptions and pics at the C.D webpage, so I made some enquiries over here.
No leading gunshop in the Netherlands or Germany I contacted was willing or able to deliver any of their barrelled actions. I was shown a few Zastava rifles and my interest in them was down the drain instantly. Interested in a bargain Mauser type action or rifle? Go for CZ products and look no further!
The price of a rifle is not important, as price is always in balance with quality.
So decide which of the two is more important to you and you don't have to worry you might want to blame the maker once you get convinced you made a mistake!
Well, the Dutch and Germans don't know what their talking
about. Brno have had maching quality troubles for years
put me off them 40 years ago. Clukey things, can't even
put a safety on the right way around.
I had my choice of any brand here in Australia, got about
the cheapest, Zastava, and haven't looked back.
Last two groups were 3/8" and 1/2 at 100 yards, always under
1". Sako/Tika/Brno in particular have always been overrated
(but they sure shoot well.)
May be OK for European ponces up a cubby house, but how
much shiney finish do you want out in the rough?
I got my Zastava for a knock about rifle, but it was sooo
nice I now have to look after it. :-)
John L.
25 December 2004, 20:52
mix3006Hey Zach;does that mean you'll never buy a rifle again,how will you determine that it wont blow up?To be quite honest I've never heard of ANY Zastava rifle blowing up.I have heard of a fellow loading a rifle cartridge with pistol powder and his Zastava action rattled like a tamborine once the smoke cleared,the action was rebuilt to like new,but sorry,nothing let go.If you have a preference for the CZ,or any other make,thats great,I had one and didn't like it at all,but I can't say that I've ever heard a valid arguement against the Zastava.Maybe Zastava should charge $3000 for the same rifle and I'll bet they will suddenly become fashionable.
25 December 2004, 21:09
GBFQuote:
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I have read a lot on this site about the Zastava actions being bad. That was not the case with mine.
How did you determine that? Those sako's that recently blew up looked fine too until they let go.
Zach,
My grandfather lived untill he passed away. He was fine until then.
Regards
25 December 2004, 21:31
mix3006JAL;picture it mate,3 days culling pigs between Coolibah and Brewarrina out of the back of a Jeep Cherokee,no roof,bulldust from arsehole to breakfast time.Sako 308 lasted 2hrs.unoperational.Winchester SG Classic 30-06,2 days,unoperational(mine).Zastava 30-06,gave it a clean when he got home.Don't you hate those "agricultural" pieces of crap?
25 December 2004, 22:25
<raindeer>You are right, as far as your choice is for a Mauser type action. In my opinion they still are the most rugged and reliable actions on the market. They get abused with water, dust, mud and still do the job.
As far as machining problems with CZ, you are right. They are no shiny gems. My little CZ 527 in .223 REM ate about 3000 hot rounds and still prints 5 in sub MOA groups. Never had a failure in the 10 years I have owned it.
So, what are we discussing, appearance or performance?
25 December 2004, 23:17
mix3006G'day raindeer;I have only one criteria for any action in the price bracket that Zastavas & CZ's are in,and that is strictly performance.Whilst I'm sure that CZ's are every bit the equal of the Zastava's in integral strength,both require a good amount of polishing and slicking to make them acceptable for the enthusiast,as we all are here.I have owned both at one time or another and can say without doubt that no CZ is superior to a Zastava,speaking without bias (it's your money after all) and based on my experience.I can relate some examples of faulty CZ's but I personally don't know of any with a Zastava although I'm positive there are some.Bottom line,CZ or Zastava,whatever suits you,you wont go wrong.Can't be fairer or more truthful than that.
26 December 2004, 03:22
<raindeer>Hello Mix3006,
I didn't say I experienced bad things with Zastava products, I only stated that my CZ has been doing what I expect it to do for some 10 years. The Zastava I was presented at a German gunshop didn't rise my enthousiasm; very thin barrel profile, I believe it was some 11 mm at the crown, very poor quality of wood; stained but not polished or laquered, poor wood to metal contact, no good trigger with a lot of creep, but nicely polished and blued, much better than any CZ I have seen. To me appearance is an extra and not the mayor quality I look for. CZ and other BRNO rifles have earned a reputation for their barrel accuracy, easily matching the grand European makers such as Steyr, Sauer, Krieghof, and Blaser.
I do not know about Zastava accuracy.
At the time I was interested in their stainless steel rifle and I made a lot of enquiries about how to get it. I even contacted Zastava directly, but they suggested I should contact their German representative; Frankonia. These people had not even been informed about the new stainless line. They are not for sale in Europe, maybe in other markets but I don't know about that.
As far as blowing apart, I have never heard of a Zastava blowing up, neither have I heard of a CZ coming apart.
However, I know lots of people shooting CZ and not one owning a Zastava!
26 December 2004, 03:42
vapodogMy personal experience with Chas Daly and Zastava is the purchase of a Zastava barreled action in .25-06...it shoots very well and functions correctly.....it's fine. I then bought a .375 H&H action that I had yo repair.....it didn't feed the cartridges and the floorplate didn't close...repairs was not horribly difficult and I didn't return it to Charles Daly because they have proven without a doubt that they don't honor their warranty. Fortunately I have a milling machine, 13" lathe, surface grinder and tig welder and can make these repairs.
26 December 2004, 10:40
WstrnhuntrI suppose if one wants to criticize the Daly actions for appearance then I would point out that they are certianly better looking than the run of the mill millsurp 98.
They appear to be very similar to the actions that Zastava used to make for Herters. I like the fact that they dont have the cut away on the left side of the action like most mausers.
26 December 2004, 11:21
ZachQuote:
I suppose if one wants to criticize the Daly actions for appearance then I would point out that they are certianly better looking than the run of the mill millsurp 98.
Who said anything about appearance? Most of these guys are pronouncing the action ok based upon appearance alone. What about metalurgy? At least with the exception of late war prodcution the milsurps were made from good steel. God knows what kind of scrap these Zastava made actions are being made from. The milsurp action takes very little to be made into a thing of beauty.
The tolerances that the actions are made to leave a lot to be desired and like others have said CD does not stand behind their warranty. Other than misdrilled scope base holes, questionable metalurgy, and cheasey bottom metal they offer no advantage over a good milsurp action.
26 December 2004, 12:11
Wstrnhuntr[quote
Other than misdrilled scope base holes, questionable metalurgy, and cheasey bottom metal they offer no advantage over a good milsurp action.
Ive not seen one personally, but I dont think anyone would expect original oberndorf quality for $200.00 in todays market. Ruger gets a lot of question marks for their cast actions and yet they are just as functional as anybody else's. Why is the metallurgy questionable? Is there any evidence to back up this accusation? Zastava has been building rifles for a long time and should know something about it. Compared to some of the modern push feed junk being pushed on us for just as much these look like a godsend.
Funny that no one else has mentioned the mis drilled scope holes yet either. I certianly wouldnt be satisfied with such a problem as some of the other posters seem to be. And as for cheesy bottom metal, millsurp IS.. No, cheesy is being too nice, it SUCKS!
Does anyone know what kind of a trigger they use? Bold perhaps?? Ive got a bold and have no complaints.
26 December 2004, 14:02
JALQuote:
of a Jeep Cherokee,no roof,
Well, I had to ask. What happened to the roof?
JL
26 December 2004, 16:07
mix3006sorry JAL;it was a wrangler not a cherokee.My memory is better after I look at all the dints and scratches left on my Walnut stock after being brutalised inside the shooting cage bolted to where the bloody back seat should have been!!
05 January 2005, 21:28
max(hm2)fjold,
my one customer brought in his action and i actually was able to measure the box. it measured 2.295 so it will handle the 204 you asked about. i also sent you a pm, i hoped it worked, on some information concerning a lh cm mini action.
max
05 January 2005, 21:48
vapodogquote:
Funny that no one else has mentioned the mis drilled scope holes yet either
Mine was as well.....I used camming scope rings to compensate.
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05 January 2005, 22:37
max(hm2)were the miss drilled holes on the full size actions? i have mounted two scopes on the mini's. i used weaver bases with weaver rings. i opened two leupold scopes put them on. it took very few clicks to collimate the scopes. the customers haven't been back yet with any problems sighting them in. just my findingd so far.
max