Hinged Floorplates

25 April 2003, 15:06

J Wisner

Regarding Mauser guards,

I can cut off the old bow, install a new machined 1909 bow, with serated release lever. Then modify the front tang to accept a hinged staddle floorplate. The labor to do this is less than a new machined guard. Normally will do this on real clean military units. No sense in working with a pitted guard.

Have done this with a lot of Mexican's or short 98's

Guy's remember I am still doing this part time so don't swamp me.

25 April 2003, 16:20

Dago Red

I am not familiar with the straddle floorplates, the one on the "one eye jack" project is the first I have seen one, what do they do differently?

Mr. Wisner, how much would it cost to have that done and get the straddle plate?

Thanks guys.

Red

25 April 2003, 17:46

Customstox

Dago, the straddle plate is wider and covers the juncture between the wood and the floor plate frame.

26 April 2003, 16:23

B Stephenson

Chic-

How wide is the Wisner straddle floorplate?

How long (plate itself, not counting tang or notch at rear)?

Thanks, Bob [Confused]

26 April 2003, 17:45

Customstox

It is 4.20" long and 1.18" wide at the back and 0.95" at the front. And I only have 2 left. Wonder if Jim is listening. NEED MORE. Jim, you do not need to sleep so much. 5 hours is way more than you need.

27 April 2003, 00:39

<JOHAN>

quote:
Originally posted by J Wisner:
Regarding Mauser guards,

I can cut off the old bow, install a new machined 1909 bow, with serated release lever. Then modify the front tang to accept a hinged staddle floorplate. The labor to do this is less than a new machined guard. Normally will do this on real clean military units. No sense in working with a pitted guard.

Have done this with a lot of Mexican's or short 98's

Guy's remember I am still doing this part time so don't swamp me.

I have a few ZG-47 floorplates that are nice, BUT the bow is so damn big that you can shoot with extreme cold cloves on. It there any way to sort this trouble?

Since this floorpalte has a stamped box, is it possible to fit on a new box and weld it?

Jim, this thing about part time is nothing we would like to hear about. I agree with Customstox [Wink]

/ JOHAN

27 April 2003, 04:39

J Wisner

The cost to rebulid a military 98 guard is 200.00.
This entails removeing the old bow and replacing it with a new 1909 style bow with serated lever release. The front lock screw hole is welded up and the counterbore recut. The front tang is machined for the hinge slot. A new straddle floor pate is made and fitted. The guard above stock line then polished to 220 grit.

Note that this work should be done prior to inletting the guard. My guard bows are .025" narrower than the military 98 bows.

The staddle plate Chic was refering to is for the 1909 Arg. I try to machine a .050" to .030" overhang per side taper of the guard frame. The straddle section will come back .150" to .200", depending on the bow, and depth of the box. I now have this one on the CNC mill so delivery is no longer a problem.

Johan, The Brno guards are made differently, does yours have the shotgun bow that comes back into the pistol grip and is held in place with a screw?. Let me know, will have to think on this one.

Yes I am currently part time, I do four 10 hour days for Wisner's. Then get to do three days for me. Been at this now for over a year. The long range plans are that we move both business under one roof this fall. Then by 2005 they will be as one, except for the custom metalwork.

"Quality is like buying oats. If you want good clean oats you must pay a fair price. However if you are satisfied with oats that have already been through the horse.... well they are a little cheaper."

27 April 2003, 04:47

wildcat junkie

quote:
Originally posted by Dago Red:
Is there an option for switching 03a3's and mausers to hinged floorplates? And how pricey is it to do this?

Thanks.

Red

JLD enterprizes has 1904 Portuguese Mauser (large ring 98) bottom metal with hinged floorplates for $40 plus S&H. They need a little TLC, but they are pretty good for the money. I've been told that the only difference from 1909 Argie is that the 1904 Portuguese have lock screws whereas the 1909 Agie does not.

Removing .060" from the rear will give about 3.380" for "06" length cartridges.

Try www.jldenter.com

Cliick on accessories and scroll down.

I've already bought 2 and I'm going to get another.

27 April 2003, 07:02

<JOHAN>

J Wisner
Nope, the one you are refering to is a BRNO model 21 or 22(mannlicher stock). They have the shot gun type tiggerguard, bottom metal. They are both small ring receivers.

Mine is a ZG-47 and that is simular to a double mauser squarebridge, large ring. The button to open the magazine is in side the triggerguard. The floorplate is stradeled [Smile]

The only down side with this bottom metal is that the mag box is stamped pos metall and the triggerguard bow is sized after big foot [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN

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27 April 2003, 09:12

<JBelk>

JOHAN---

You're describing bottom metal that I've never heard of much less seen and your description of the action makes little sense either.

I'm really curious what it is you have. LARGE ring DOUBLE square bridge marked ZG-47?? Picture please!!

27 April 2003, 09:49

<K9>

Jack, you've got pictures of one of those actions from me about a year ago or so.
Remeber these? They don't show much of the floorplate but still..

Gives you some idea of how it looks but not completely.

Cheers

K9

27 April 2003, 23:10

<JOHAN>

K9
Nice pictures [Smile]

Could you post one of the floorplate? Please, A shoot at the leftside of the receiver would be great and also shoot over the top of the receiver showing the mounting rails [Smile]

When is your rife made? look at the markings on the left side of the receiver.

What I don't like about these rifles are the enormous trigger [Big Grin]

How manny Zg-47's do you have ?? I got my third on the way, you can't have to manny mausers [Eek!]

/ JOHAN

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28 April 2003, 10:51

Nitroman

I like that trigger shape, if it were more towards the rear of the loop so it wouldn't pinch a finger it would look quite elegant.

28 April 2003, 14:45

fla3006

Johan, eye candy:

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28 April 2003, 15:47

TGetzen

Fla3006 that's better than porn!

Do my eyes deceive me, or is that a couple thousand worth of cocking piece peep sights I see there? Or a variant of cocking piece / shroud / safety I haven't seen yet? What exactly are those actions? [Now I figured it out, thats the safety (from the bigger picture up above) -- those must be ZG-47s? I've never seen one in person; those sure look nice.]

Thanks for the pics.
Todd

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28 April 2003, 23:16

dcm

How would one go about changing a BRNO 602 bottom end so it had a locking lever instead of that hard to reach button?

29 April 2003, 02:14

fla3006

Todd: Yes, those are rotary safeties (sorta like early Sakos's) not cocking piece peep sights. You don't see a lot of ZG-47's, they weren't imported in the USA and only about 20K were made.

29 April 2003, 03:49

<K9>

Johan

Due to our fantastic laws and this forum I donï¿½t own any ZG47ï¿½s anymoreï¿½ï¿½.. [Frown]

Those pics are the only trace left after a computer breakdown last month when a bunch of other pics got erased (along with some other stuffï¿½) [Mad]

. The rifle was made in ï¿½62 and another I used to own in ï¿½51. I do agree on the trigger!
But Iï¿½ve found a new love hereï¿½ï¿½ [Big Grin]

The Brno m/21!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Iï¿½ve got one in 8x57 with double set triggers, a butter knife handle and the safety on the left side. One in 7x57 is on its way inï¿½ï¿½. This one has the ZG47 safety and a rounded knob. One sometimes has to make sacrificesï¿½ï¿½ï¿½ [Embarrassed]

Fla3006
You really like showing those pics, right?? Please continue!!!!!! [Razz]

Cheers
K9

29 April 2003, 04:29

<JBelk>

I don't believe I've ever seen one of these actions.......I've owned several M-21 and M-22 and they were marked with a very small 47 or 48 on the left side of the barrel shank. I had always assumed that's where the "ZG-47" name came from.

The action pictured is much more crudely finished than the M-21s and the trigger is a DANGEROUS POS!! I've seen those on several remodeled M-98s and always threw them in the trash. Nobody wants a trigger that can fire the rifle if the rear tang screw is loose!

The BEST way to alter the bottom metal is to replace it with Blackburn's. He makes the original Orbendorf-style bow and the more streamlined Blackburn style that's very racy with a smaller guard.

29 April 2003, 04:34

fla3006

K9: Yeah, I'm proud of them, they're my favorite Mauser. I once owned 14. Only two were in the US, most came from Canada & Sweden. Took lots of time, effort and money to get them. Occasionally one turns up now and then, but not often. It's fun to post pics too since Terry Carr showed me how. A picture's worth a thousand words sometimes.

29 April 2003, 06:38

<JOHAN>

K9,
who is it that has all these goodies?? Send a PM or mail, please.
I got and suggestion for trade today, the fellow wants an old crusty rem 700 bdl and he is offering me an rebarreld Brno 21 in 9,3X62. That is not a bad trade [Big Grin]

I will tell you a secret about owning more Brno's than the ones you already got.

JBelk, the small numbers stamped in the side of the receiver and barrel is the year they were made. I argee that the trigger looks bad, but you can fit a mod 98 on the action and throw away the POS trigger.

Fla3006,Since you like photographing, give us a few droll close up shoots of the action [Big Grin]

Soo it is you who are stealing all our ZG-47 and Brno 21/22. I will go to Texas in November,Dallas/Fort Worth area. Don't be surprised if I will make a claim on your Sweethearts [Big Grin]

Me, K9 and Stefan will take good care of them [Eek!]

/ JOHAN

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29 April 2003, 07:51

fla3006

Johan, if you can make it down to Houston, I'll give you a guided tour! (or anyone else with a special interest in Brno Mausers)

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29 April 2003, 11:14

<JOHAN>

quote:
Originally posted by fla3006:
Johan, if you can make it down to Houston, I'll give you a guided tour!

Thanks,
I have lots to do, hunting, visit gun shows and relatives, hopefully look for a job. I will try to fit it in.
I guess it takes 3-4 hours driving if the traffic is good. I have to bring a droll rag with me [Wink]

I'm have already texas BBQ on my mind, brisket, T-bone, chicken and ribs [Smile]

In this damn country they can't BBQ [Eek!]

/ JOHAN

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30 April 2003, 00:59

<Hux>

A reasonable number of ZG47's found there way down here to Australia. Not common but not rare either. Mate of mine has more than most....probably 6 in 270w alone plus 7x57's, 9.3x62's and others I haven't seen. He's a BRNO collector.

They are definitely one of the nicer production 98 actions IMHO (though bolt safety isn't that pretty it is effective). Bolt and trigger is interchangeable with the LR 98's in my experience.

02 June 2003, 10:38

Recoil Rob

For you DIYer's out there.
Years ago Outdoor Life published
DO IT YOURSELF GUNSMITHING by Jim Carmichael. Part IV of the book is dedicated to metalworking and includes such things as reshaping Mauser triggerguards, double set triggers and a very detailed chapter on how to convert a standard M98 floorplate to a lever operated hinged one.

You can usually find these type books very cheaply on ABEBOOKS.COM .

Usually $10-15, shipped.

If you feel so inclined.

02 June 2003, 11:52

vigillinus

Gents

All your comments are about bottom metal for Mausers. Apparently good quality hinged floorplate assemblies are not now available for 1903 Springfield. In the 60s Flaig's in Pennsylvania used to import a pretty good light metal setup, I think they may have been made by Sako. And before WWII Bob Owen had a very nice rig made for him in Germany. Would like to find either !!

Vig