New Savage Bolt Rifles?

21 February 2002, 19:17

What has been the biggest gripe that most people have against the new Savage rifles, say the models 10-110, 12-112, 16-116? For the price, I'm trying to figure out why I don't own one yet. Are they that less superior to Remington, Browning or Winchester?

21 February 2002, 19:28

<Multi Vis>

Triggers and rough barrels but I dont know why as most of the factory offerings have crappy triggers and rough barrels and dont shoot near as well as the average Savage and for way less $ on top of that!:::MV

21 February 2002, 19:44

<heavy varmint>

The biggest gripe I have and seemingly 90% of Savage owners have are the triggers. Second would be there looks but you will get over that after owning one a couple years and invision memories of succesfull hunting trips instead of dwelling on asthetics when you look at your rifle.

21 February 2002, 19:55

Customstox

The biggest complaint from people who DON'T own them is that they shoot so damn well for such a small outlay of cash. Well, ummm, ah, they are still ugly, if that counts.

Chic Worthing

22 February 2002, 06:34

<Harry>

Chic,
You are right about ugly. Why do some of the manuf use such ugly recoil pads? How much extra manuf. cost could it be to use something akin to a Decelorator in both looks and feel? With quanity buys etc. Gotta be peanuts. Everytime I see one of the old vented pads on a new current made rifle I just shake my head. Then we get into the profiling of the stock, If the damn thing is going to be done on a duplicator it would seem you could start with a pattern that has a nice look / shape to start with.
Jeeze! I don't just mean Savage either.

22 February 2002, 14:29

Mort Canard

So what is the cure for Savage triggers??? Can the be made to function well. If so, how much money do you have to throw at the problem?

Chuck Graber

22 February 2002, 16:11

p dog shooter

chuck grabber timmy triggers put them on all my savage rifles.

22 February 2002, 16:41

Jeremy

I own a Savage 112 in 22/250 and a 10FP in .308. I put a timney in the 112, but the factory 10FP trigger had plenty of adjustment as is just as good as the timney with a little time.

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22 February 2002, 16:42

Russell E. Taylor

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Graber:
So what is the cure for Savage triggers??? Can the be made to function well. If so, how much money do you have to throw at the problem?

The untalented buy replacement triggers. Of the lot (Timney, Sharp Shooter, and Rifle Basix), the Rifle Basix is the best bang for the buck. Personally, I tune mine. I have five Savages, which includes the Striker pistol. Even conservatively priced at $65 (but they're more) per gun, that's easily $325 I've saved for buying triggers. Some guys also end up paying someone else to install them, which would make my savings even greater.

Personally, I like the locking-lug aesthetics. Clearly, I'm in a minority... but I still like how they shoot, with or without trigger work. And I'm not anal enough to worry about the styles of recoil pads.

They shoot, they're affordable. That's it.

"Life is too short to wait around until you've finally scraped up enough !@#$@#$# money to buy an expensive riflestock, when you could have been at the range shooting Savages years earlier."

Russ

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"Out here, 'due process' is a bullet!" -- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"

22 February 2002, 17:00

<Rafael>

Get a savage, replace the trigger if you find it that bad.....
But, most of all.....Ignore the rough barrel, cause the bullets don't know it!

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RAF

22 February 2002, 17:22

savageshooter

I have a Striker, and I love it! I was able to adjust the factory trigger to a fairly crisp 3 lbs. I have since swapped in a Riflebasix trigger, and it is smooth and very light, but I'm still not sure if I prefer it over the factory one. It shoots better than most of the rifles at the range with no other modifications! A good piece to add is the Sharpshooter recoil lug, as the factory one is stamped, and not too flat.

22 February 2002, 19:25

Well heck! I'm convinced.......I did some hunting around on GunsAmerica and found a Savage that fits the bill. Plus, one can't have too many .338 win. mags. in the gun safe.
I found a 116 Weather Warrior, but it's the "KODIAK" model (which they quit making last year?) with the 20 inch barrel and left handed. Should be here next week, and from the sounds of things, this rifle should be quite the bear buster.

[This message has been edited by CK (edited 02-22-2002).]

22 February 2002, 20:05

RMK

You'll hear all kinds of garbage about savage triggers. They are fully adjustable and it's cheaper to adjust them,then replace them. The biggest thing is you have to adjust the safety along with the trigger,to make them safe.

22 February 2002, 20:17

<heavy varmint>

I have had Savage 116s and 112s that had an adjustable trigger(could be adjusted with an allen wrench) but all of the newer 110s I have seen had what I would call a non-adjustable trigger, that is one that basicly requires fileing to get it less than 7 pounds and still leaves you with a feel and pull that is not worth the effort IMHO.

I don't know what criteria Savage uses to determine what trigger goes with what rifle or even if they still use the REAL adjustable type but if you get one that isn't you will be better off to pay around 80 bucks for an aftermarket trigger.

23 February 2002, 14:01

Russell E. Taylor

I happen to know where a guy is selling his Savage Express in .458 Winchester Magnum for $500. Just so you know, that's WELL below DEALER cost!

Write to me if you want it.

Russ

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"Out here, 'due process' is a bullet!" -- John Wayne, "The Green Berets"

24 February 2002, 15:11

Mort Canard

Thanks for the trigger info guys.

Chuck Graber

27 February 2002, 14:37

<pshooter>

Buy a Savage, you'll love it. The looks will grow on you, especially when you use the extra dough to buy some other fun toys! And the other guys at the range will cry when you "clover-leaf" them in the dust. mvm

05 March 2002, 15:34

fetchmax

Just got my new Savage 12FVSS .223, Shot it with factory trigger. Not real bad but still put on the Rifle Basix trigger. I got the trigger that supposed to adjust for 1.5-3lbs. I have it adjusted to 1 lb with no slam fires etc. The gun shoots any factory ammo great from fmj's to factory varmit loads. Also shot first batch of Sierra Blitz Kings 55 g. They shot excellent also. Very happy. P.S. I did do the barrel break in routine.

05 March 2002, 18:40

Here's the follow-up to the "116 KODIAK" .338 WM that I purchase last week.....Wow! I got lucky.....This rifle is everyhing that everyone said it would be and more......The guy I bought from had a professional trigger job done on the original trigger. A crisp 3lbs....One of the nicest triggers I yet to feel.

Now the hunt is on to put a nice piece of glass on it.

05 March 2002, 22:53

boltman

Maybe I'm wrong but I've never seen a savage that didn't have an adjustable trigger. All that I've adjusted have gone to 3# easily. I adjusted one to 1# but the safety isn't functional.

05 March 2002, 23:09

Rusty Gunn

Years ago I bought my younger brother a left-hand Savage 30-06. Well, comparing it shooting-wise to all the factory rifles I owned at the time, it out-shot everyone of them! only a custom job did slightly better, but you'd have to measure real close!
The looks of the rifle don't bother me much. I like their Express Rifle a lot, chambered on 375 H&H. ~~~Suluuq

06 March 2002, 00:51

steve y

I was doing some bullet seating depth tests on my bedded and floated sporter 110 .30-06 last Friday. H414 and 165gr Sierra BTHP (not Matchkings)

At .010 off the rifling, I got a five shot group that was strung out vertically exactly 1.5". (this includes one .62" flyer)

But get this- that was with DIPPED loads. Horizontal spread was only .39"!

Now I'll weigh some charges and try to repeat. Then I'll try the same thing with Matchkings and Bergers.

The trigger on this rifle is absolutely clean. I can't imagine it has been worked on as I bought the rifle for $210 about 15 years ago and it had the ugliest piece of wood I've ever seen (and that's saying something these days!)

About the bolt-

My gripe is it is so unsupported. But the lugs and extractor haven't failed, and it hasn't bound, so it doing what it needs to do.

There is an upside to that- the jeweling on the bolt lasts longer.