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08 February 2004, 17:44
Customstox
Re: Best & Worst forums for gunsmithing info
blue,
Thanks, you have a good sense of humor. Still chuckling.
08 February 2004, 18:14
DaKotah
Bill Mc...

an analogy?...well, okay, I will take a shot at that challenge..





In my hobby of making knives, I have learned a few things about how to tell if the steel I have found will make a good knife.

What the steel needs is a high carbon content and to learn this you first harden the steel in the forge and quench in oil, then run the steel into a spinning grinder to examine the resulting sparks.

You compare the sparks with the sparks from a known good source and you are able to tell if the steel you got is worth working with, or is garbage.


In a way, this same principle is also true with people too.

If you want to learn if a person has some moral character you only have to heat the steel and grind on them a little. In this case when a person, is faced with some sort of frustrating problem and responds by lashing out in a very unchristian way, then you know he is not worth the effort. That instead of an interesting mind, you have ended up dealing with a sack on his shoulders filled with garbage.
09 February 2004, 08:15
Howard
Just when you thought it couldn�t get any worse he strikes again. I think that truly this guy has no shame nor or there any limits to which he will sink. He just recently started a thread on his own forum with a link to metal work pictures by Jack Belk and a subject line praising his work. If you will think back it was Swamps totally unsubstantiated allegations about and attacks against Jack Belk that played a huge roll in the infamous banning spree. Now here he is starting a thread praising the man. Maybe he now thinks kind words will generate hits where before it was cruel words to make the others laugh.
09 February 2004, 08:41
<Guest>
Howard

In fact, I seconded Swamps recommendation of the nice metal work by Jack Belk. I could care less what Swamp does, but I think its great that he promotes Jack's work, for to tell you the truth, regardless of what problems people had with Jack (and I don't know what they were or are) the man is a very very talented metalsmith. I wish I owned a company so I could put him on my staff and just let him do his thing.

Blue
09 February 2004, 17:16
dempsey
Blue

For a lawyer, you sure make a lot of assumptions without a lot of facts. I'd suggest you do a search on HA regrading Belk and Swamps commentary on him, but I'm sure it's all been deleted.
09 February 2004, 17:41
<Guest>
Post deleted by blue
09 February 2004, 17:58
dempsey
Blue

I thought I recalled you saying your profession was the law, one I find respectable in spite of the lawyer jokes out there. It wasn't a insult. It doesn't matter anyway. You spend way too much time here trying to tell us how to behave in regards to Swamp and public slander, when you don't even know what the hell the point of my post is. If you had any idea what a hippocrit he is posting something like that, which I did read, you might understand. I still think you're a plant.
09 February 2004, 18:05
dempsey
Blue

I wanted to make sure my recollection of your profession was correct...


"I have been practicing law for quite some time now, and over the years it has struck me how it is those who are guilty theirselves yell the loudest about their innocence, while those who are innocent have a quiet calm and resvere about them"

It was, I really like the part about those who are guilty yelling the loudest! it goes nicely with this "You piss me off with this lawyer shit. What are you so I can say the same thing back to you!"
09 February 2004, 18:11
dempsey

09 February 2004, 18:25
Howard
Blue your disadvantage is you come into this too late. Many people have had issues with Jack Belk over the last 1-2 years. Many of those �problems� have been aired on the various bulletin boards, one such which was HA.

As with all these differences I am sure the truth was somewhere in the middle. As is also true with these Internet flare-ups people with no vested interest in, nor personal knowledge of, the issues become the most outspoken in expressing their opinions. The Jack Belk issue was no exception.

One thing Swamp has a great weakness for is taking statements, which have in no way been proven true, and using them as a foundation to build his house-of-cards upon. He then proceeds to holler, from the rooftop, for or against whatever person or �thing� that caught his eye that week. Some time ago he cried foul against the overpriced Dakota rifles. They became an advertiser and he posted the most outlandish of claims about how they are the greatest of them all. He had no personal foundation upon which to base his claims, in fact other statements and actions by Swamp proved he was lacking in knowledge and therefore incapable of having an informed opinion. But I digress as we have already covered that.

Anyway it was about the same time as the �Dakota�s are the greatest� posts that he decided to jump on the anti Jack Belk bandwagon. Now don�t misunderstand me, where there is smoke there is fire and in Jack�s case there has been lots of smoke. Point is though Swamp jumped on Jack in a transparent attempt to create controversy, generate hits to his sight and appeal to all the Jack bashers out there. Swamp has had none, nor is having any business dealings with Jack, has no personal knowledge of the man, and has absolutely nothing to base his opinions and statement upon other then posts about him on the internet; most of which are obviously sour grapes from people in no position to know.

It was questions about his personal knowledge of Dakota�s, AND his baseless attacks upon Jack Belk that where questioned by many and their posts and posting privileges were removed from his bulletin board. Such action is within his Right but was not right. Now he posts a link to Jack Belks work and makes positive comments about it. We notice and just when you thought he couldn�t sink any lower he outdoes himself again.
09 February 2004, 18:36
<Guest>
Howard

I understood most of that from the begining due to some private emails that I received.

But as I said, whether or not Jack screwed somebody or not, from the photos I have seen, he is a very fine metalworker.
From what I heard, he is not such a good businessman. That is why I said that it would be nice if I had a business such as a gun business. I would hire him to do metal work and relive him of the business end of it. Get all of those people taken care of that still have issues with him. And then get on with the business of letting him make fine custom guns for he does it very very well.

I do not like it when people attack my profession, and I am not a "plant". Nevertheless, I hereby publicly apologise to Dempsey for getting overly upset. I complained about others doing it and I shouldn't be doing it. Sorry Mr. Dempsey.

Howard, what in the hell are you doing up so late at night?
Isn't it way past your bedtime.

blue
09 February 2004, 18:42
Howard
Blue you are all right in my book. Jimmy thinks you act like him and, well not sure that�s a good thing but maybe not all bad either.

Jack is capable of turning out fine work and I have no problem with links to photos of it being posted unless its people like Swamp who put him down one month and want to praise and call attention to his work the next.

As far as attacking your profession����������well you could find honest work���

Its only 9:40 here, not quite past my bedtime.
10 February 2004, 02:35
jimmyd223
All I want to know is, Has there EVER been a post with this many views and this many posts before on this board.


10 February 2004, 02:42
dempsey
Blue



Your talent for deletion... is that a natural skill or one honed elsewhere. Blue I didn't insult your profession! This all is NOTHING to get upset about A silly thread for bored old men in the middle of winter that has run it's course.
10 February 2004, 03:36
Skibum
Jimmy,
Once the word gets out that Da'dickhead uses Matchkings in a 45-70 for dangerous game we have a shot at a record

Jeff
10 February 2004, 04:50
Bill Mc
Jimmy, I think it shows us that after awhile, we don't have enough to do.



do they make Matchkings in .45 ?
10 February 2004, 05:41
Howard
Bill as much as I hate to admit it you may be right. I set down in the easy chair last night with three of my rifles and took them apart just to put them back together again.
10 February 2004, 10:31
Idared
I set down in the easy chair last night with three of my rifles and took them apart just to put them back together again.



I just wish I had three rifles to take apart. Some guys are sure lucky.



Bill, I think you hit the nail squarely on the head!!
10 February 2004, 11:35
Howard
Idared what you MAY lack in quanity you more then make up for in quality. I bet none of them could be termed a blonde bombshell either.



I must tell you about my new G33/40 too.
10 February 2004, 20:19
Gatehouse
Quote:

All I want to know is, Has there EVER been a post with this many views and this many posts before on this board.






Yes...

A couple have lasted quite abit longer I think.

Usually they revolve around 2 specific topics, which are unnamble!
11 February 2004, 06:49
R-WEST

All I want to know is, Has there EVER been a post with this many views and this many posts before on this board.

Hey, did someone mention using MK's in a 45-70?


R-WEST
11 February 2004, 17:33
Howard
Ha-ha old Swamp, aka, Marshal, aka Fredrick Talbot is at it again. He is lecturing people on muzzle breaks and the proper caliber to use for Brown Bears. What do you want to bet the closest Swamp/Marshall/Fredrick has been to a brown bear is some cut&pasteable web link?
11 February 2004, 19:30
Jason_McCurry
Wow, just in this one thread alone is at least half of the names I miss seeing at HA. I hate to lose my 4000+ post count, but I get tired of listening to the crickets sometimes.



I'm just "Jason" over on HuntAmerica, btw.
11 February 2004, 21:31
GSP7
Swamp likes lectureing on subjects he has absolutly no experience or knowledge of.
11 February 2004, 21:57
Idared
Howard

Here is a copy and paste begging for a reply!!

Swamp, you've noticed a difference in the brown bears you've shot using the .338 and anything bigger? I'm curious how you quantify your experience.

Shane
12 February 2004, 00:55
Hillbilly Hunter
Check out the "Handgun" thread on "deer huntin" - could be some fun brewin! Reloader Ole Nick may be movin on over soon.
12 February 2004, 03:36
jimmyd223
Hey Howard, how does swamp/AR sound for a user name

Time to hit the post office for a few more disc for the ol' 1000 free hours Ya gotta love aol and juno

even better would be BillMc jr....
12 February 2004, 04:04
<Guest>
Howard

Was Jimmy, our buddy, here, the Jimmy D over at Hunt America that everybody talks about. Or Jimmy, was that you over there.

Blue
12 February 2004, 05:14
jimmyd223
Now come on blue, you are the attorney, why would you ask such a question?
I have gone by my real name on all the boards jimmyd just added the 223 as it is my favorite caliber.

Is having a split personality a good defense
12 February 2004, 05:20
<Guest>
Jimmy

You got that right. I am the attorney, and I gotta get my facts straight!!!!
12 February 2004, 05:37
jimmyd223
blue, I can not tell a Lie I was jimmyd223 [KING] at HA
12 February 2004, 05:48
<Guest>
Jimmy

.223???? I am wonderin how you get those big Washington State Elk to go down with a .223

Also, awhile back Howard said that you said that I was starting to act like you, and I am wonderin if that is good or bad?

Blue

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Blue you are all right in my book. Jimmy thinks you act like him and, well not sure that�s a good thing but maybe not all bad either.
12 February 2004, 06:38
jimmyd223
blue, easy. sometimes more than one shot with those damn 52 grn Ballistic tips

We do use other things out west here such as
223
300WSM
338Win Mag
338-378 Wthby Mag
For the stuff over a 100 yards 50BMG



12 February 2004, 10:05
Cold Bore
Quote:

Also, awhile back Howard said that you said that I was starting to act like you, and I am wonderin if that is good or bad?




That question falls under the "If ya gotta ask....." category!
12 February 2004, 17:09
Customstox
Jimmy,
You need to stop fooling around with those wimpy rounds. Try my .218/.338/500BMG. 46 grain hornet bullet at light speed. The drop matches the curvature of the earth and if you happen to be shooting in a place that has no large mountain ranges in it's path, you will need a backstop or it will circumnavigate the globe and hit you in the back.

The bottom bullet is a .338 Win mag for comparison.