Re: Most Accurate Factory Rifle

18 September 2004, 02:57

Bill Mc

Let's see.

$2000 dollars

divided by (CZ550 @ $460. and a good scope @ $300 plus $40. misc)

equals two and one half good rifles.

18 September 2004, 03:18

lofter

If I had to buy a gun with absolutely nothing done to it. No trigger job, no bed job. Just go out and shoot a factory round for accuracy. I'd take a Browning M1000 in 7 mag with the boss.

18 September 2004, 05:35

Atkinson

This is the most ridiculas arguement and buckshoted bunch of posts I have ever seen...

A rifle is an individual and any factory produces guns that will shoot and some that will not..and for all practical purposes its a crap shoot....

Just reading all the different posts proves that!

Accuracy is 95% in the individual barrel, and 5% in the set up IMO, omitting shooter skill and error.

18 September 2004, 06:40

mbogo375

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This is the most ridiculas arguement and buckshoted bunch of posts I have ever seen...

A rifle is an individual and any factory produces guns that will shoot and some that will not..and for all practical purposes its a crap shoot....

Just reading all the different posts proves that!

Accuracy is 95% in the individual barrel, and 5% in the set up IMO, omitting shooter skill and error.

Ray,

Didn't have your prune juice last night?

In my original post I said

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I know that this is an impossible question to answer accurately, so no flames please .

. I think that we all know that every rifle is an individual, but some models do shoot a whole lot better on average than others. I know that you wouldn't expect a light barreled sporter to shoot as well on average as a heavy barreled varmint model once the barrel heats up after the first few shots, and neither would I.

I also suspect that you, like I, have not played with all the newer models brought out in the last few years (I haven't worked with the newer Sako, Tikka, or Savage models). This was my reason for starting this thread, to elicit comments from people who have used them. Maybe I should have limited the question to target/varmint models, but leaving it open was more interesting and thought provoking. Right now, I am leaning more toward a used bench rest rifle to play with, but wanted a little more input on the new factory models.

Granted, we have pretty much covered the spectrum with the responses, but hey, it's all in good fun

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Jim

23 September 2004, 20:54

ALF

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23 September 2004, 20:13

lawndart

There are more elements to accuracy than small groups off of a bench. That is more correctly viewed as the inherent precision possible from a given firearm. The term accuracy implies the ability to put that first shot right on call, and then the ability to put any follow on shots right on top of the first one.
Things like a crisp clean trigger, excellent rifle balance, and compatible ergonomics all have a large influence on accuracy in field conditions.
One reason that Alf has found great success with the Sauer 202 is that it fits him, the trigger is superb, the rifle balances well for him, and it has awesome inherent precision.
Allen Day favors Legend rifles by D'arcy Echols for those same reasons.
I have spent some (ok, most) of my retirement money on Sako style stocks from McMillan, trigger jobs, and Krieger/Lilja barrels, again for those reasons stated above.
There is another factor. If you know that any difference between where you intended the bullet to hit and where it actually does is due to you, not the rifle, you work doubly hard on the fundamentals of marksmanship.
Accuracy flows naturally from precision (barrels, bullets, bedding), the shooter (good training and better practice), and the interface (ergonomics, balance, and trigger). The pursuit of accuracy is one of the things that makes this middle-aged, cross eye dominant, opinionated asshole smile every morning when I wake up (that and having balls to scratch while I drink a cup of good coffee).
JCN

26 September 2004, 09:46

JefferyDenmark

Rem 700 with AICS Chassis System this chassis system is only $525 and badger Ordnance rings

This is a nice rifle and very accurate.

Scope is NXS from Nightforce Optics that baby will set you back a bit

The Tactical Bolt Knob and Scope Rail are also from Badger Ordnance.

Check it out

http://www.badgerordnance.com/htm/prod_a.php

http://www.tacproshootingcenter.com/AI_rifles.html

Cheers,

Andrï¿½

23 September 2004, 22:36

JefferyDenmark

Alf

No it is the TRG-42 They make it in 308, 300 win and .338 Lapua magnum.

I used mine in RSA it was a .338 LM model

This rifle has great accuracy.

This is two tree shot series from my TRG-42 at 200 Meters Swift A-Frames 275 and Nosler Partitions.

Mine was mounted with a 5,5-22x56 NXS from Nightforce optics.

That tool is not fair chase and will not go to africa again.

Cheers,

Andrï¿½

24 September 2004, 12:37

lawndart

Hey Alf,

TRG 22.
Mine is in .308, with the factory bipod, and a Leupold Long Range 30mm 3.5x10x40 converted to a Mil dot reticle in the first focal plane by Premier Reticles in Virginia.
It is extremely rugged, and is adjusted so I could take a nap in the prone position without getting a kink in my neck.
I usually shoot it with a suppressor attached. Shooting it is an eery experience. Just the supersonic "crack" of the bullet followed by good results on target.
The 338 version is a little too much blast and recoil for my tastes, but with a full sized suppressor it would be pretty neat. Jeffey Danmark is built of more rugged stuff than I am to be able to haul that thing around the veld...
JCN

24 September 2004, 15:21

Recono

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Has anyone here worked with any of the Remington 40-X variants of recent manufacture? How was accuracy?

Jim

Not I. But one I bought in the early 70's in 6mm Rem was fairly accurate. Had no place to shoot paper at the time, until a nearby club had sighting-in days. I loaded up 20 Norma cases with 5 different loads of 4350 and Nosler Partitions. With a little coaching from the guy in charge of the bench, I had at least three, maybe more, four-shot groups significantly smaller than half an inch at 100 yards.