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Different 1909 argentinian actions??

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08 April 2003, 03:32
Lorenzo
Different 1909 argentinian actions??
I was wondering if there're different 1909 actions.
In this case, how can I identify them??
Thanks
LG
08 April 2003, 03:50
mho
Lorenzo, I don't know the answer to your question. I do know the ones made by DWM are of good quality. Not sure whether the Argentine Mausers were made in other plants??

- mike
08 April 2003, 03:50
<JBelk>
There are three 1909s that I'm familiar with.

The most common are the DWM- Berlin, there are the Calvary and Engineer's carbines that are DWM-Orbendorfs, then there's a home grown Argentine that uses some DWM parts but the receivers are rather crudely marked FMAGE.

The Argentine is well known in the US because so many of them were sold on the surplus market. DWM, Mauser Orbendorf, and FN supplied most of the South American M-98s. Paraguay, Chile, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, Colombia, Costa-Rica, Uruguay, and others all had M-98s made for them by the best arsenals in Europe.

They're different in details but the fit, finish, and overall excellence of the actions are the same.
08 April 2003, 03:51
Jim Kobe
There are those made by DWN and those licensed by them and made in South America, I believe. I will be in Paraguay next week, perhaps Icould pick up a few dozen of them.
08 April 2003, 04:04
Lorenzo
Thanks Gentlemen.
LG
08 April 2003, 12:20
systeme98
Lorenzo, Info, Jack Belk's post + more. Argentina did make complete rifles. I have had at least 3 actions through here that used all Argentine made parts, easily identifiable by their tool marks. There was also a (Mauser Werke) Mod. 1935 with 23" barrel. Except for the markings and Arg. crest on top of ring this rifle appeared little different than the Chilean, and Brazilian mod. 1935's. I was too surprised when I handled this one to check the caliber, or to pay attention to the bayonet mounting lug, to see if it had the familiar adapter. I did note that it had the standard bolt stop Without the extended lip for stripper clip installed to facilitate loading with the 1891 stripper clip. The rifle was purchased in Brazil, and there were many like to choose from. This version is listed in some of the books and one authority says the order was for 10,000 rifles. This one did NOT have the hinged magazine cover plate. I have a color print out received in the last 10 days of a 1935, and it is marked Rt. side of ring in 2 lines-
REPUBLICA
ARGENTINA
the left side has the commercial B U G N proof marks and the left side wall is marked in one continuous line MODELO-MAUSER-1935. There is no visible mauser logo. To complicate matters it has a complete bolt assembly in the white, straight handle and the manufacture is obviously from a DWM M-1909. The magazine has hinged cover (floor-plate) magazine and that has the typical visible tool marks of Argentine manufacture. The bolt stop is also DWM mod 1909 and has their markings.
You are liable to find most any strange combination, not only of military Mauser's but even Winchester Model 54 and model 70 rifles in strange calibers which the experts state that Winchester did not make. Like 7.62 mm Russian rimmed, 8x 57 mauser and 7.65 Arg. calibers( on a Mod 54 but using an overstamped 70 barrel- 54 stamped over 70. It could be great fun!