8mm-06 or 8X64, What would you choose?

11 February 2002, 04:22

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by dan belisle:
Whoops. thanks for the info Carcano. I thought the 7 x 64 came first. Sorry. - Dan

Dan: I would think that 95 % of German hunters also would maintain the same illusion - no reason for deeper sorrow ;-)

Regards,
Carcano

14 February 2002, 03:45

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by carcano91:
I quote:
Originally posted by Fritz Kraut:
The 8x64 has nearly the same prestanda (...). I think the only manufacturer of cases and ammo today is the Sellier and Bellot. Brenneke has also restarted some production, but itï¿½s scarce and hard to get - and horribly expensive (www.brenneke.de).
For the US readers, one might also point to the less comprehensive (but English-language) website
http://www.brennekeusa.com
in addition to
http://www.brenneke.com (trilingual);
the latter is more comprehensive.

And here is the follow-up:
I just had a phone talk with the Brenneke company. For those who do not want the cheap and good Sellier & Bellot factory ammo, Brenneke makes top-notch German brass and loaded ammo (at very high prices, as Fritz sadly noted). They also deliver to the USA; inquiries shall be addressed, I was told by Mr Ralph Wilhelm, to

info@brenneke.com

and not to the US representative.

Regards,
Carcano

[This message has been edited by carcano91 (edited 02-13-2002).]

24 August 2003, 03:31

carcano91

Follow-up:

I suppose Brenneke will have their newly developed TOG bullet also have loaded into their semi-proprietary 8x64 S (which previously was offered with the TIG).

Incidentally, a good acquaintance of mine (gunsmith) is trying now to revive the unduly forgotten rimmed sister, the 8x65 S. So far, the cartridge seems very accurate, and he gives it rave reviews.

Carcano

24 August 2003, 06:08

Bwana-be

I think if it were me, I'd make my own wildcat. On either the 8x68, 280 Ross, 404 Jeffery, something like that. But as Ray said, there's nothing "practical" about it. The 404 Jeffery, necked down, and rim turned down to Mauser size would be a fun Westley Richards tribute. [Big Grin]

You could neck down the 330 Dakota.
If you're going to convert to the belted mag, the Ross has the same base diameter, but with no belt, there's a LOT more room inside. Hotter than you'd want to go at top speeds.

Here's the BIG question, which unless I missed it hasn't been asked;
Why would you consider all this work and not consider another $200 for a new barrel in whatever caliber you wanted?

If this is a cheap sporterizing job, then I'd go with the 8mm-06. It will do everything the '06 will do, with a bigger bullet.
And we ALL know the '06 will already do it all....

25 August 2003, 09:41

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by Bwana-be:
I think if it were me, I'd make my own wildcat. On either the 8x68, 280 Ross, 404 Jeffery, something like that. But as Ray said, there's nothing "practical" about it.

Well, indeed. But if would be fun, and nowadays, wildcatting is mostly done for the fun of it; there is little if any "need". Actually, I think one of our esteemable Spanish posters here mentioned a Spanish 8mm wildcat, built either on a 9,3 x 62 or rather a 9,3 x 64 case; but I might be misremembering the heritage...

quote:
The 404 Jeffery, necked down, and rim turned down to Mauser size would be a fun Westley Richards tribute.

You mean, instead of the venerable .318 W-R ? :-)

Regards,
Carcano

26 August 2003, 09:11

montero

quote:
Originally posted by carcano91:
Actually, I think one of our esteemable Spanish posters here mentioned a Spanish 8mm wildcat, built either on a 9,3 x 62 or rather a 9,3 x 64 case; but I might be misremembering the heritage...

Regards,
Carcano[/QB]

No, you are not misremembering anything, Carcano.

8mm MAZON, a necked down 9,3x64 Brenneke.

You may read about it in H. Lutz Mï¿½ller web site
http://home.snafu.de/l.moeller/8-9,3x64S-Brenneke-Mazon.htm

26 August 2003, 05:54

Phantom Duck

quote:
Originally posted by wildcat junkie:
Here are the parameters: You live in North America. You have a Large ring M98K Standard length mauser with a 23 5/8" barrel. It has a pristeen bore. You can chamber for ANY 8MM chambering that will fit into the standard length magazine with no more modifications than some filing of the mag well and grinding some on the bolt stop. THAT MEANS YOU ARE LIMITED TO 30-06 LENGTH CARTRIDGES (3.340" COL) You may not replace the barrel, you may not lengthen the action. What 3.340" COL 8mm chambering (standard or wildcat) would you choose?

My vote goes to the 8mm-06 Ackley Improved

8mm-06

26 August 2003, 06:01

carcano91

quote:
Originally posted by montero:
No, you are not misremembering anything, Carcano.
8mm MAZON, a necked down 9,3x64 Brenneke.

Glad to hear this. I very rarely read Lutzens website (though I've been listed as "contributor" to it, as you know), and I thus wonder whether the mentioned Spanish wildcat has already been described anywhere in print, be it a Spanish or a French gun or hunting magazine ?

Many thanks,
Carcano

26 August 2003, 09:11

montero

quote:
Originally posted by carcano91:
...and I thus wonder whether the mentioned Spanish wildcat has already been described anywhere in print, be it a Spanish or a French gun or hunting magazine ?

Many thanks,
Carcano[/QB]

Carcano,
As far as I know, the "Spanish wildcat" has not been described anywhere in print, which is very surprising: the Brenneke case has a capacity virtually identical to the 2.5" magnums, does not have a belt, fits smoothly into standard length actions, is full of tradition, and is readily available.
Neither of the two reamer makers I contacted, JG and Clymer had produced such a reamer before, and RCBS custom-die making team had not produced such a set of dies before.
Imagine, so many people around necking up and down all sort of funny cases and the very venerable Brenneke had been over looked.
Or so it seems.
With compliments,
montero

26 August 2003, 09:18

montero

And, by the way, I would always choose the 8x64S over the 8mm-06.

-It does exist as a commercial round.
-Cases are easy to make from either 7x64 or any of the 06 family (with the 35 Whelen probably being the most sensible choice)
-The 8x64 is a very traditional (maybe too traditional in the sense that it seem condemned to obsolescence) cartridge with its own history.
-It does not have less capacity than the 8mm-06

regards,

montero