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12 November 2006, 17:20
rugeruser
Winchester Trigger adjustment
I have a 1957 M70 Super Grade that shooys really well, but has a fairly heavy trigger, which also feels almost like a two stage job.

It's pretty accurate as it is, but I'd like to tune the trigger...

Before I pull the thing apart (it has a screw through the forend into the base of the rear sight), is the Win trigger of that vintage something a home 'smith can do? FWIW, I've installed and tuned a Timney on my M77MkII, and uned other triggers without any hassles - I'm not looking for a one ounce job, but a smoother hunting feel...

Any suggestions greatly appreciated.

tia


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12 November 2006, 19:56
Glen71
Due to it's design, the M70 trigger components are all visible (it has no outer housing like the Timney). The adjustments are pretty obvious. However, a spring replacement is sometimes needed to get a light pull weight. Given your description of how it feels now, I would give it a close inspection and good cleaning. It may be "gunked up" with 50 years of gun oil. Do a search for actual adjustment instructions. Good luck.
12 November 2006, 20:04
Doc in Texas
here is how to Adjust the trigger on a Win.mod.70

Adjusting the Model 70 Trigger
by Frank Kleinburg (fkleinbu@tivoli.tivoli.com)
(Original article posted at www.recguns.com)
Let me discuss how the trigger on the Model 70 works. Knowing how it works will allow you to know how a gunsmith would
adjust it.

The trigger mechanism on the Winchester Model 70 is remarkably simple. Remove the barreled acton of a Model 70 from
it's stock and you can see just how simple it is. You will see a trigger that pivots on a pin. Look at the rear portion of the trigger
(normally hidden by the stock) and you will see a square head screw (the trigger stop screw), three nuts, and a spring (we'll call it
the trigger return spring).

The purpose of the trigger stop screw is to limit the amount of over travel of the trigger. It is possible to screw the trigger stop
screw in far enough that you will not be able to pull the trigger enough to release the sear. Ideally the trigger stop screw should
be screwed in as far as it can and still have enough trigger movement to reliably release the sear. This will allow for the greatest
amount of adjustment of the trigger spring tension.

Tension on the trigger return spring determines a majority of the trigger pull weight (the rest of the trigger pull weight comes
from the friction between the trigger and the sear). The spring surrounds the trigger stop screw, both can be seen just behind
the trigger. The trigger stop screw is held in place by a pair of captive nuts, one on each side of the part of the trigger the stop
screw passes through. A third nut sets the tension on the trigger spring. Tightening this third nut (turning it clockwise) against the
trigger spring will increase the trigger pull. And turning it counter clockwise will decrease the trigger pull weight.

After making any adjustments, be absolutely sure to test for an excessively light trigger. To do this, screw the barreled action
back in the stock. With the bolt cocked, in the closed position on an empty chamber, and the safety off, butt down the rifle. That
is hold the rifle barrel pointing upward, let the butt bounce on the ground. It should take a considerable bump to cause the firing pin
to drop (on the empty chamber).

On a friend's pre-64 Model 70 trigger, the spring had to be changed because enough of the trigger spring pretension could not
be removed to get an acceptable trigger pull weight. Yet on another (on one of those new classic actions), it was possible to
remove ALL of the trigger spring pretension. This is a dangerous situation because only the trigger to sear tension keeps the
cocked rifle from firing.

Well I hope you now have a better understanding of how a Model 70 trigger works. Of course for all trigger pull weight
adjustments you should take your rifle to a reputable gunsmith.


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12 November 2006, 20:15
duikerman
Your comment about seeming like a two stage trigger is common with M-70 rifles and it's simply creep.

The above description did not deal with creep as it requires a permenent alteration to the step in the trigger. A smith with a small surface grinder can fix this but it's not in the adjustmants supplied with the gun.

Honing can smooth it some but shortening the step is the best way. Trying to reduce the step by honing is a very poor practice.
13 November 2006, 16:00
rugeruser
Thanks guys!!

Much appreciated... Cool Big Grin Cool


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A gun is a tool. A moron is a moron. A moron with a hammer who busts something is still just a moron, it's not a hammer problem. Daniel77