Patrick
Patrick, you aren't too far away from these folks, look at their stuff. Hope it helps.
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Don
I don't know of a single state in the USA where you can use a sound suppressor (moderator for you Brits ) for hunting game animals.
In some states (Maine?) it is illegal even to have a threaded end on the barrel! They may have changed that in the last ten years, but I have not heard of it.
These laws were originally passed to prevent poaching.
Don
[This message has been edited by Don G (edited 02-18-2002).]
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Originally posted by Don G:
I know that if you pay a $200 tax and give the ATF permission to do a no-knock search of your house, and get finger printed and go through an FBI background search you can then legally own a suppressor here in the 'States.
[This message has been edited by Don G (edited 02-18-2002).]
The ATF DO NOT have a right to search your house because you own a Title II firearms. Only Dealers have to accept ATF visits.
Check this site for info on the laws: http://www.subguns.com/laws/laws.htm
We should be encouraging these things, not regulating the heck out of them anyway.
I had thought very seriously about it and contacted an outfit that was supposed to be a licensee of those Norwegian suppressors to make them, about getting one as they seem to have a good idea about size vs. supression. Got an email back pushing me away from them towards company's own products. That and paying $600.00 + "occupational tax". Once I'm out of school I might consider it. Have some bushings made so you own one suppressor but can fit it on several rifles.
[This message has been edited by Roger Rothschild (edited 02-19-2002).]
I was thinking of trying one of the products from these people: http://www.suppressor.co.nz There is a UK distributor already, and a recent write-up in Gun Mart was full of praise for them.
If I do get around to fitting one, I will post the results. (Just to make Don G really sick!)
Thanks again
Patrick
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Griff
Thanks for your comments. I saw one of these just recently when a pal of mine was fitting it to a .243 Tikka. (He does much of the gunsmithing for a local gunshop). I liked the concept, but I could not get on with the finish - it looked like something from the inside of a heating boiler. Now I know that aesthetics are always compromised when you fit a moderator, but I don't think it needs to have that sort of finish. The ones I mentioned in NZ are also available in the UK, and they also do a small-volume overbarrel in alloy, suitable for all rounds up to .223 / PPC. As I will probably put this on a .222, that sounds ideal - and it only weighs in at 10 ounces. I can get one here: http://www.jmsarms.f9.co.uk/cat.htm
JMS sell a number of different makes, so it may be I should ask their opinion. Chances are it will be the most expensive/ugliest that comes out best!
Patrick
Not (IMHO) a good choice! Sealed steel unit=no ability to clean=rapid loss of accuracy, rust and danger.
The reflex suffers from this problem too. The build up of carbon causes the unit to become louder and less accurate. Unless you have an ultrasonic cleaner sealed steel is BAD.
I have personal experience of Vaime which are excellent and a Vaime copy by Adenbourne of Witney which is excellent and a 1/3 lighter. Yours for �140 (�150 for threading)
BUT with acceptable handling you're talking 17 or 18" barrel and then you're in HV22rf unsilenced territory which is not really quiet. Even for one off use on a normal 24" barrel where the muzzle blast is truly tamed, there are problems due to change of zero.
My 222rem is not a lot louder than my moderated 18" 243. The neighbours when they comment all remark on the crack and not the boom (never even mentioned)The rabbits will soon associate the noise with danger and only present you with 2-4 shots anyhow.
The aforementioned moderators by PES do, as I understand, dismantle. They also have an ally model. So cleaning/rust should not be such an issue. The problem I'm trying to tackle is a combination of geography and housing, whereby I either get in close and use a house as a backstop, or I move further away and need centrefire to do the job reliably. This is a piece of ground where we're undertaking a little pest control on invitation, so once the job is done I won't be going back too often - thus education of the rabbits should hopefully not be an issue. I do take your point about the crack versus the boom, but I'd still rather have a quieter report if I'm sitting out close to someone's home. In any case the .222 still makes my ears ring when I'm out foxing, and I'd sooner have the option to avoid that if I can. So this has other attractions for me than just rabbitting.
Patrick
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