Anyone using a Shilen trigger on the M700. I put one on for a guy a few years ago (It's the devil to get that E clip on there).

I never heard how it worked. I did hear that they sometimes need more powerful firing pin springs as they do something negative to that.

Any comments?

I have heard bad things about Jewell as well and they cost twice as much.

I just inhereted another M700 BDL in 300 Ultra and I am going to restock, rebarrel, and it's going to get a new trigger.

I have Shilen triggers in 2 of my M700's. They work fine no problems.

my gunsmith tried to install 1 on a m700ks for me after much cursing and some machine work, we returned it to shilen as a manufacturers defect & got my money back.. I think my gunssmith is 1st class, in 20 years this is the 1st time he could not get my adventure to work. The gun how has a cajar set trigger on it.

D99

Shilen triggers are ok. No better or worse than any other after-market trigger. But when you start getting down into ounces of pull rather than pounds, there is nothing equal to a Jewell. I'd like to hear what those "bad things" are that you've heard about a Jewell?

Ray

Shilen is my PREFERRED trigger (and I shoot M700's). I use both the heavier hunting version and the lighter (ounces) target version.

I used to use Timneys, and still like them, but have gone to Shilens now.

As for Jewell, they have a cult like following, but I've had a few (still have one) and was no more impressed than the Shilen (at half the cost). Had one with problems that went back to Jewell. While it was there, I spoke to them on the phone about it. They asked if I wanted a different spring installed while it was in the shop. I said sure. They did fix it, but then charged me for the fix, spring, and shipping, though it was a new trigger, and though they admitted that some part was "out of spec by a few thousands". I called to find out why I was charged. Seems that by "agreeing" to a new spring (I thought it was their recommendation!), that I went from "warranty work" to "service work". They got me on that one, but never again.

I have used Shilen triggers in the past. I can't find any fault with any of the ones I've used. Doesn't mean that a 'not so great' one slips through now and then, but I haven't run into a bad one yet. Knock on wood!

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Originally posted by D99:
I have heard bad things about Jewell as well and they cost twice as much.

Really, care to expand on that??

I can't provide any insight into the (lack of?) difficulties involved with the installation of a Jewell. But once installed, all the ones I have owned (4 at this point in time, 1 additional ordered yesterday) have been nothing but superb.

The difference for me between the Jewell and the Shilen is as follows. The Shilen can either be had in the 2oz/no safety version, or in the "standard" version, on which the Remington safety can be used. Since I don't shoot BR, and since I need a safety on my rifles to get them through the Zurich safety check, the 2oz trigger is of little interest to me. The standard Shilen, however, does not have anywhere near the same range of pull weight adjustment, which a Jewell does. Granted, the Jewell can only be adjusted in intervals, depending on which spring is currenly intalled, but other than that, the same trigger can be adjusted from 2oz to several pounds. The Shilen standard, on the other hand, can't get to the pull weight I personally prefer. So although I'm sure the Shilen is a great trigger, and although the Jewell is painfully more expensive, the Jewell still wins hands down for me.

A more realistic alternative to the Jewell would be the Rifle Basix triggers. They share the adjustability with the Jewells and still cost considerably less. I have never used one, though, so I'll leave it to others to fill us in on how they work.

- mike

When my brother got his Rem 270 700 customized he went the least on expense and got the Shilen trigger. It was set to 1.5 pounds. He loved it, that is until it started to fire when he took the safety off.

After we returned from the trip in Colorado, (when he discovered there was a problem), he sent it back to the smith and had a Jewell installed.

I've NEVER heard of any problems with Jewel, or Rifle Basix. The difference my brother and I noticed between the Shilen and Jewell is the crispness of pull. The jewell wins hands down. The Shilen just wouldn't tune without some degree of creep.

Out of 9 rifles, I have 5 Jewells. And have ZERO regrets. All are set to 1 pound.

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Originally posted by mho:

A more realistic alternative to the Jewell would be the Rifle Basix triggers. They share the adjustability with the Jewells and still cost considerably less. I have never used one, though, so I'll leave it to others to fill us in on how they work.

- mike

The Rifle Basix trigger is an excellent trigger. I have used these on some of my own rifles and would have no heart burn over using them again.

Dollar for dollar, they are probably one of the best values going for someone who is looking for a quality aftermarket alternative to the factory trigger.

I appreciate the help. I haven't used a Jewell, but if your saying that Jewell is good or better than Shilen, and easier to install.

The E clip on the Shilen is murder.

I have a rifle basix on my rem 700 .243 and really like it, I use a canjar set trigger on my .300 RUM Police and that is especially nice, I feel the Canjar and the Rifle Basix may handle the Red Aussie Dust a tad better than the Jewell but I am only guessing.............flame me if you will

MALM
PM SENT

I have both Shilens and Jewels on my 700s, for my part, the Shilen has a lot crisper break. I have installed all of both brands on my 700s, and the rem safety is tricky, but after 6-8 they get ok to set up. No miscues at all, both brands in my guns are at 2 lbs, and the Shilen is better to my feel. Have heard Basix are good, and they sell a safety kit on their web site, just no experience with them. Good luck.

I prefer the Shilen on a 700 set up for hunting (meaning not a 2 oz trigger).

On hunting rifles the Shilen is an excellent trigger at a good price. If you are having problems getting installed I think that the chances are about 98.5% that the problems are with poor tolerances from Remingtion and not with the Shilen triggers. I have 5 of them and have had exactly Zero problems or malfunctions. But then I do tend to test them properly before I put live ammo in the gun!...........DJ

Pc,

I have a Canjar....It's an interesting option.
I like the feedback the thinner blade of the Jewel provides (especially in cold weather) but that is a personal thing. I find it a little more difficult to time offhand shots with the little set button. I also see a bit more movement when I dry fire the Canjar.

When it comes to any Remington style trigger, dirt is always a concern of mine

My opinion is that the Jewell (money not withstanding) is the most crisp and consistent trigger (in feel and weight). I feel a properly adjusted factory Remington is pretty darn good for 90% of hunting and tactical applications (above 1.5 pounds).

If you "need one", a Jewel will not disappoint.

Jamie

The only problem with the Jewell is that if you buy one, you are going to want to replace the trigger on every other 700 you own with one.

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Originally posted by jtinidaho:
The only problem with the Jewell is that if you buy one, you are going to want to replace the trigger on every other 700 you own with one.

That be de sad truth!

From my experience w/Rem 700 action order of preferance in my hunting rifles is:

Jewell
Shilen
Basix
Timney

The instructions that come with the Shilen do recommend a stonger spring on the fireing pin.

Winchester M70 - pretty darn easy to tune the factory trigger to a great hunting trigger.

The Rem 700 triggers are easy to tune with just screw adjustments but I've never had one that I could get set as nice as those listed above with that method. I'm not up to any high end metal work to make them perfect.


For the money go with the Shilen. I'm very happy with mine. Of course if I could I'd have all Jewells, they are the benchmark.