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Re: All these "new" cartridges

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17 September 2004, 08:57
landtrain
Re: All these "new" cartridges
Hello Root Beer. Your the first one who has ever ask that. I pulled a GI double 10 meter cab over (Hanomag if I recall) from Frankfurt to Wuerzberg Germany in 1969 when I was young and stupid. Had Porche;s and MB's passing me at 150 KPH. You gotta plan your stops two days in advance.
17 September 2004, 03:34
CDH
Why not just revive some of the old black powder rimfires from the latter 1800's? Basic design work is already done. Update with smokeless powder and away you go...
17 September 2004, 03:26
jeffeosso
like a 25 hornet rimmed or a 23/20 rimmed? sounds excellent, actually.. with about a 50 gr bullet at ~150 fps... just an overgrown 22lr

jeffe
17 September 2004, 03:44
landtrain
How about a .30 Carbine necked down to a .257 bullet. Had a Carbine barrel modified to .25 cal, had Redding make up a set of dies and all I need now is an empty 'honey-do' jar to have some time to build up some loads. Not designed to travel at the speed of light nor one shot kills on Cape Buffalo , but will kill any beer can that comes into view. Except for the barrel, the Carbine has been untouched. Its NOT a collector grade gun.
17 September 2004, 03:50
Tailgunner
You mean somthing like the old 267Rem rimfire?
17 September 2004, 04:06
rootbeer
Are you a driver, landtrain? I am, but doubles is as far as I'll go.
17 September 2004, 04:53
<eldeguello>
I have no use for any rimfire, since you can't reload them (not practically, anyway!!). For .22 LR shooting, I use a cast .45-grain bullet in my .22 Hornet with 4 grains of Unique.
17 September 2004, 05:12
MartinPotts
I hate like hell to be the fly in the soup fellow's
but i have loaded alot of rimfire round's ..sorry boy's
it's a factory deal all you get in the empty hull.
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As for the normal reload no you can't even get this stuff
so i understand the confustion...

And there are alot of older rimfire's as already stated that could be brought back to life 45 cal/s and alike
17 September 2004, 05:19
z1r
I've always thought of the .32 H&R Mag as an overgrown rimfire. I've got both pistols & Rifles in it and love it. Super cheap to reload and versatile too. Cheaper Factory loads would like help its popularity.
17 September 2004, 05:29
Ol` Joe
The old rimfire BP cartridges have been dropped for a reason. They just didn`t sell enough anymore to merit production. Winchester had their 256mag based on a 357 case with a 60 gr bullet at ~2500fps(?) in the `60s and it never took off. The round also was reloadable adding to it`s charm to people that would be most likely to be inerested a cartridge of this type.
The market may be better in countries like yours with laws makeing rimfires easier to purchase but, the volume of sales there likely won`t be large enough to bother.
17 September 2004, 05:57
scot
They did that before WW-II. It was the 25 Stevens rimfire, that was updated by Remington. It was called the .267 Remington rimfire. It drove a 67 gr. bullet to 1400 fps. They did not continue the project after the war.

The .22 Mag will get you 2000 fps. and 357 foot pounds of energy. The .267 will only give 293 foot pounds. Since these cartridges are primarily for shooting varmints, and the .22 mag would make a bigger mess, that is the one folks will choose. I am sure the Remington figured all this out before they made their decision.

The idea of a bigger yet slower rifle bullet in the gap between the 22 Long rifle and 22 Hornet does not make sense to me. Anyone that would care is probably going to be a hand loader. In that case any 22, 25, or 30 caliber of small case capacity can be made to fit that gap. The .267 Remington rimfire duplicates the performance of the .25-20 standard speed loads. I think you would really enjoy a .25-20. It is a dandy cartridge that can handle slow cast bullets on up to some pretty fast 60 grain jacketed loadings. I enjoy mine.
17 September 2004, 06:03
z1r
The failure of many cartridges, like the .256, is more closely related to the arms it was offered in than its performance.
17 September 2004, 10:14
CDH
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The market may be better in countries like yours with laws makeing rimfires easier to purchase but, the volume of sales there likely won`t be large enough to bother.




Sound's like a nice niche market for a brave soul...but you are right that none of the big names would get very excited about it.

Seems like I remember seeing/hearing about some outfit that still made ammo in some of the old BP rimfire cartridges, with 'modern' BP...