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Buggered Screw - Time to Call a Professional?
28 February 2019, 16:50
wwgreenerBuggered Screw - Time to Call a Professional?
I don't blame you for being careful, Charles. That's a nice rifle. You're right to take your time and do no damage. We are all just trying to help.
01 March 2019, 08:22
Charles_HelmI do appreciate the help....but any suggestion that requires $10,000 of equipment or delicate professional skills is out of my reach.
01 March 2019, 11:40
georgeldHope you get it out without damage.
Ted: I've done a whole lot of TIG and MIG welding
but, I've never seen that trick til
now. You've got to be one of those
guys that can weld both sides of an
L filet on the bottom of an aluminum pie pan.
I had a welding instructor trying to teach us
how to do that. He could easy, no one else
ever did that I saw. We all blew holes in the pans.
Show us how it's done!
George
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01 March 2019, 23:53
customboltCharles,
The layers of alum. foil would protect your rifle and the bottom part of the screw from scuffing or weld. But, we all have our comfort zones.
No worries. Keep us posted.
quote:
Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
I do appreciate the help....but any suggestion that requires $10,000 of equipment or delicate professional skills is out of my reach.
Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can.
03 March 2019, 01:55
Charles_Helm
Thanks again for all the help....spent $$$$$ on new tools to save $ on gunsmithing, but if I had to ship it I would end up spending more...and now I have to see if the rear Talley base I bought will clear the charging hump cause the one on it was radiused....
And seriously I am very appreciative of all the advice.
03 March 2019, 03:00
wwgreenerSuccess!!
03 March 2019, 03:20
p dog shooterquote:
Thanks again for all the help....spent $$$$$ on new tools
Can a man have to many tools?
03 March 2019, 04:54
customboltNice work Charles. I need to get one of those vise grips. Lots of gripping grooves on that one. Did you get it out on the first try?
Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can.
03 March 2019, 05:26
Charles_HelmIt turned as soon as I was able to get the vise grips tight. Took a while, and I switched to a smaller pair. There was a lot of loctite powder in the screw hole....
And I do like having the tools, but I need to make some space...
03 March 2019, 19:24
Charles_Helmquote:
I need to get one of those vise grips. Lots of gripping grooves on that one.
I will add that I picked up four new vise grips on this venture, several of the needle nose variety which is pictured above. They come in a number of sizes. Started with a medium one and when it started coming out I switched to the smaller one pictured.
let's see, new tools for just this:
2 sets of driver bits (for butterfly bits which did no good but looked like what was left of the screw)
left-handed drill bits (first one snapped, second would not bite)
Small cordless Dremel (cut a new groove that I got 1/8 turn out of before the screw stopped again, also used to try to remove the base without the screw but was too much chance of hitting the action, also used to grind down a screw driver to try to better fit the buggered screw)
Dremel attachment set
Hair Dryer (cause it would be here before the heat gun)
heat gun
4 vise grips
Ended up using my drill and a regular bit to remove the screw head, and the heat gun and vise grips to take the stub out...
03 March 2019, 19:34
Jim Kobequote:
Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
quote:
I need to get one of those vise grips. Lots of gripping grooves on that one.
I will add that I picked up four new vise grips on this venture, several of the needle nose variety which is pictured above. They come in a number of sizes. Started with a medium one and when it started coming out I switched to the smaller one pictured.
let's see, new tools for just this:
2 sets of driver bits (for butterfly bits which did no good but looked like what was left of the screw)
left-handed drill bits (first one snapped, second would not bite)
Small cordless Dremel (cut a new groove that I got 1/8 turn out of before the screw stopped again, also used to try to remove the base without the screw but was too much chance of hitting the action, also used to grind down a screw driver to try to better fit the buggered screw)
Dremel attachment set
Hair Dryer (cause it would be here before the heat gun)
heat gun
4 vise grips
Ended up using my drill and a regular bit to remove the screw head, and the heat gun and vise grips to take the stub out...
You gotta admit, the guy's got determination
Jim Kobe
10841 Oxborough Ave So
Bloomington MN 55437
952.884.6031
Professional member American Custom Gunmakers Guild
03 March 2019, 22:01
Charles_Helmquote:
You gotta admit, the guy's got determination
or stupid levels of stubborn....
03 March 2019, 22:26
Fury01Persistence is a virtue. I vote thumbs on this fellow. He had a problem and now he doesn’t.
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03 March 2019, 23:38
customboltGo get 'em Chuck. You persevered & won! Don't short-change yourself.
Life itself is a gift. Live it up if you can.
04 March 2019, 07:01
ssdavequote:
Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
quote:
You gotta admit, the guy's got determination
or stupid levels of stubborn....
I have to commend you for working within what you have available and the skills you have to get it done. We all start somewhere, and that's how you learn.
It's painful to see threads like this, because I could have had the screw out in 15 minutes with my shop and tooling. But, I remember when I didn't even have a torch and a good fitting screwdriver, and tried to take out a stuck screw. And, I remember learning to use the drill press and later the mill and a hex bit and down pressure to remove them. And how heat works to get them going. And how to tap on them to loosen. And, remember learning to drill the top of the head off. And left handed drill bits. And, how to drill out the screw precisely and pick out the threads. And, how to weld a nut onto a threaded stub to get a way to turn it out.
None of us started out having the tools and knowing how to do those things, although now they're quick and easy ways to approach the problem.
04 March 2019, 07:49
ted thornquote:
Originally posted by georgeld:
Hope you get it out without damage.
Ted: I've done a whole lot of TIG and MIG welding
but, I've never seen that trick til
now. You've got to be one of those
guys that can weld both sides of an
L filet on the bottom of an aluminum pie pan.
I had a welding instructor trying to teach us
how to do that. He could easy, no one else
ever did that I saw. We all blew holes in the pans.
Show us how it's done!
George
I use the weld a "T" on just about every broken bolt brought into the shop. If that doesn't work I weld up a post and drop a nut over the post the fuse the two together.
Only if those fail do I drill or use an extractor
Worst case scenario I have to EDM it out if all else fails
Next time I remove a screw using the "T" method I'll be sure and make a post here
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04 March 2019, 22:18
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