Remington bolt handle came off

03 May 2018, 20:39

speerchucker30x378

I haven't been connected with the factory for some time, but it is my understanding that Remington is still proof firing their firearms. I believe that they are required to by law so that they can meet The Commission internationale permanente pour l'épreuve des armes à feu portatives requirements in Europe. A lot of companies like Browning provisionally prove their guns, but I think that when they go to certain parts of Europe for sale, provisional proving is not acceptable and they must go to a government proof house before being sold. I believe the guys at Remington once told me that they could avoid the government proving step by doing it themselves to C.I.P.s standards. I'm not sure if that still holds true or if Remington is actually still proving each firearm, but they are still stamping them with proof makes which would indicate that they are. I think there are only 15 countries left in C.I.P. now. Most countries are content with provisional proving now days. The only time I fire proof loads now is in questionable, older guns that I am converting to higher bolt thrusts. I don't prove modern Remington manufacture, new bolts anymore for my own use. I never used to prove new Weatherby bolts, action bodies or barrels as the manufacturer was content with provisional proving.

03 May 2018, 20:57

Bill Leeper

Just to set the record straight, I have seen a few Model 70 Winchesters where the brazing was poorly done and the handle came loose. Like Rod, I always silver soldered handles which had come off and never had a failure. Regards, Bill.

03 May 2018, 22:34

Bobster

You are right, the REP stamp on the barrel stands for Remington English Proof. I was perhaps misinformed. I'll check into it.

quote:
Originally posted by speerchucker30x378:

I haven't been connected with the factory for some time, but it is my understanding that Remington is still proof firing their firearms. I believe that they are required to by law so that they can meet The Commission internationale permanente pour l'épreuve des armes à feu portatives requirements in Europe. A lot of companies like Browning provisionally prove their guns, but I think that when they go to certain parts of Europe for sale, provisional proving is not acceptable and they must go to a government proof house before being sold. I believe the guys at Remington once told me that they could avoid the government proving step by doing it themselves to C.I.P.s standards. I'm not sure if that still holds true or if Remington is actually still proving each firearm, but they are still stamping them with proof makes which would indicate that they are. I think there are only 15 countries left in C.I.P. now. Most countries are content with provisional proving now days. The only time I fire proof loads now is in questionable, older guns that I am converting to higher bolt thrusts. I don't prove modern Remington manufacture, new bolts anymore for my own use. I never used to prove new Weatherby bolts, action bodies or barrels as the manufacturer was content with provisional proving.

04 May 2018, 01:45

speerchucker30x378

Actually, I don't care if they have quit proving and making proof loads. I checked my cool dark corner the other day and I have just enough high pressure proof loads left to survive the zombie apocalypse. Providing that is, proof loads will kill zombies!

proof loads by Rod Henrickson, on Flickr

04 May 2018, 23:46

butchlambert

Listen to Dans40X. He has timed, micro tig welded, and modified many bolt handles for me. Remington, Mini Mauser, custom receivers, and Mausers. Ain't no better,quicker, or more reasonable than Dan.
http://accu-tig.com/

05 May 2018, 03:33

Bobster

OK, here's the answer from Remington:

Remington Support
Service Ticket Response

"All guns are function tested, but not all are test fired, we test fire some in each batch.

Thank you and best regards,
Remington Customer Services"

So that means they are not proofed or even test fired though stamped that way. And how do you function test a firearm without firing it? Especially semi-autos and pumps. That explains why we get so many new 1100's, 870's, and 11-87's that won't feed/cycle. We've had several that could not even be assembled without Dychem and a Dremel/file. Not to mention 700's that don't feed and stick rounds in the chamber. Also why we get rifles with no rifling. Then we put them up to our face and fire them with 60K psi+ loads for the first time. Go figure. Maybe things will change for the better with the bankruptcy reorganization. In the mean time I think I will go get a couple of tires and some rope for the test fire range.

05 May 2018, 04:02

Dead Eye

In the grand scheme of things, test firing for proper safety/function is likely the most important part of building a firearm for the general public.
I am embarrassed as a long time Remington supporter that this is how they treat their business.

08 May 2018, 09:37

MyNameIsEarl

I was a huge Remington fan even after they tried to screwed me. But lately (past several years) I have not seen good things or heard good things.

Around 1985 had a Model 788 in 243. Well we (My Dad) loaded some rounds for me but forget to check the powder weight. It was a little hot and cracked the bolt face. For fear of other damage we sent it in for inspection. They confirmed just the bolt face cracked but refused to repair it or replace the bolt. I also believe they refused to send it back, sold me a Model 78 in 243 for around $200 as I recall. I was so pissed! It is has been awhile ago so I do not remember the specifics but I do remember they would not return it. That 788 was a tack driver and the new rifle shot okay but never close to the 788.

09 May 2018, 05:12

ted thorn

After all of that........

Did you ever get the bolt handle welded or not?

09 May 2018, 07:57

Dead Eye

Picked it up today
If nothing else falls apart I'll shoot it tomorrow
Thanks again for your help

13 May 2018, 06:08

Dans40XC

OP - Dead Eye,
It appears that someone was practicing on your equipment attempting to re-attach the bolt handle.

Unless the handle was modified,all you received was a re-attachment.

It's Physically & Mechanically impossible to TIME a Remington handle w/o modifying it.

13 May 2018, 21:07

Dead Eye

quote:
Originally posted by Dans40XC:
OP - Dead Eye,
It appears that someone was practicing on your equipment attempting to re-attach the bolt handle.

Unless the handle was modified,all you received was a re-attachment.

It's Physically & Mechanically impossible to TIME a Remington handle w/o modifying it.

You must be really good to be able to criticize the timing of this rifle without handling it.
Based on your previous posts I figured I'd get something like this out of you. As always, thanks for your input.