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28 March 2005, 07:49
HenryC470
TWO position Winchester safety
Is there an aftermarket TWO position safety for Winchester Model 70 Classic actions?

I am not fond of and dont have much use for the three-position safety the rifles come with. Hunting in the full on-safe position, a quick shot requires a very long sweep of the safety lever with a "bump" in the middle as the middle position is passed, and the momentum of the lever carries it forward fast enough it clacks against the side of the receiver (I've got little dents and no bluing there to prove it). A metallic clack might not spook what I'm trying to shoot at, but it might.

I don't see any good reason to have a three-position safety on these rifles. The M70 Classic rifles generally come with a hinged floorplate, don't they? After ejecting the round in the chamber, can't I just dump the rest out the bottom? Why do I need to cycle them through the gun to empty the magazine?

I'd just like a simple, quiet, TWO-position safety with a shorter, smoother ride through its range of motion.

H. C.
28 March 2005, 08:12
Will
quote:
I don't see any good reason to have a three-position safety on these rifles.


Where have I heard that before? Wink

This does not address your question, but you don't need to open the floor plate to empty it do you? I just cycle them with the bolt. I never understood why this is a problem, but that's me.


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28 March 2005, 08:45
lb404
Henry, buy a remington you will be much happier. bewildered


square shooter
28 March 2005, 11:21
JAL
quote:
Originally posted by HenryC470:
I'd just like a simple, quiet, TWO-position safety with a shorter, smoother ride through its range of motion.

H. C.


I quess it's a 2 position if you only put it on
to the second position.
Just read a day or so ago in the Big Bore section (I think) where a (or some) DG hunter/s
only use the 2nd position when actually hunting.

If I have trouble with safties I just leave the
bolt handle "up".
John L.
28 March 2005, 13:31
str8
You'll love that middle position if you ever want to disassemble your bolt to clean or replace the main spring or figing pin.
28 March 2005, 17:05
HenryC470
quote:
Originally posted by str8:
You'll love that middle position if you ever want to disassemble your bolt to clean or replace the main spring or figing pin.


That, and that only. I've had the bolt apart on my Browning (2-position safety, striker not compressed in on-safe position), and it does require holding the spring compressed by other means while the thing is unscrewed. Not impossible, just unpleasant. I think the same could be done with the Winchester bolt without that middle position.

Will,

Right. Whether it's full on-safe, in the middle, or on-fire, I don't point it at things unless I wouldn't mind destroying them. The middle position doesn't give me a license to be less careful.

H. C.
28 March 2005, 21:27
triggerguard1
Middle position and full safe position both block the cocking piece and compress the firing pin spring. The only difference is that the detent pin that rides in the safety lever protrudes from the bolt handle and engages the bolt body when in the full-safe position. With that pin shortened, or the hole going all the way through the bolt shroud eliminated, the bolt could be dissasembled in the same manner as it is now.


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