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Shortening a barrel change POI?
02 October 2009, 20:10
ManyatheloShortening a barrel change POI?
I am no gunsmith so this will be a stupid question for some of you, but bear with me please.
Why will cutting 2 inches off a 25 inch barrel change the POI radically at 25 yards. Rifle is open sight and barrel profile is straight and uniform if that makes any sense.
Thank you
02 October 2009, 20:40
Rusty Marlincutting it off changes the harmonics. the bullet leaves the barrel at a different point in the vibration cycle.
Changing loads has a similar effect.
02 October 2009, 20:43
J.D.Steele2 possibilities occur immediately:
Harmonics/vibration are changed, causing different muzzle whip/barrel time and therefore a different angle of departure
New crown is different angle from original, again causing a different angle of departure. Crown could have been tilted before or tilted now, group size is usually not affected by crown tilt but POI is definitely affected.
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02 October 2009, 21:17
RaySenderoAnother possibility:
If your judging POI from iron sights - Were they moved when the barrel was shortened?
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02 October 2009, 21:35
WestpacThen there's the velocity thing.
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03 October 2009, 01:07
gzig5Unless the barrel is straight with no taper, which is unusual on a sporter, the front sight will be several thousandths higher with respect to the rear sight if it was moved back two inches. You don't indicate the amount or where the POI moved to (higher, lower, left, right) which might give additional clues as to the reason.
03 October 2009, 02:19
Bill LeeperVery few barrel blanks have a perfectly straight bore. If a barrel is shortened the bore will be found to be eccentric to the exterior (where the iron sights are mounted). Some times the divergence from center can be significant. I have shortened barrels where I had to turn them down slghtly just to get the bore near center before installing the front sight. Regards, Bill.
03 October 2009, 10:06
kcstottAll very valid points
As mentioned: Harmonics, Crown, Velocity loss, Location of front site VS new location with same front site.
Anyone of these will change your POI.
Most likely it's the combination of the sites and barrel harmonics
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03 October 2009, 22:47
Ossi_IcelandIt wont change noticably and absolutely not radically at 25 yards.