24 March 2003, 11:58
HenryC470Model 70 slamfire update
My gunsnith did a trigger job on my new Model 70. When I snap the bolt closed briskly, the striker falls.
I looked it over today. A Winchester trigger is like this: The trigger pin is at the back and top. The front of the top is flat and has a notch where the sear engages it. the notch is about 1/8" from the front of the trigger top.
On my tigger: The flat area behind the notch has the original factory finish on it. The flat area in front of the notch (the material that supports the side of the notch that engages the sear) is bright and has grinder marks. I think the gunsmith ground the front flat area of the trigger to reduce the engagement (if you were to grind it much lower, there would be no engagement). The sear rests against the rear flat area, and that contact is what controls the amount of trigger/sear engagement. As I said, the rear flat area has not been ground. If the rear flat area was ground a bit, that would increase the engagement area but change the angles slightly (very slightly). If someone else was to fix this problem, would they grind the rear flat? The sear? Would they pitch the trigger and start with a new one?
H. C.
24 March 2003, 13:02
Ol` JoeI`m not a smith but from what I`ve been told in the past you "never" grind or change the sear angle on a M70 trigger. I don`t believe anything more than a little playing with the tension screw and maybe a LIGHT stroke or two on the engagement surface with a very fine stone to knock off any large burrs is all that is needed to get a decent trigger on one. I`m sure others more in the know can expand on this.
I`d take it back to the guy that screwed it up and have him make it right, a gun that fires when it isn`t suppose to can come back to bite both of you.
24 March 2003, 13:13
<JBelk>The trigger should be replaced. The sear can be lapped back right, but the trigger poses more trouble than they're worth.
24 March 2003, 17:45
HenryC470Thanks guys.
I've got one on order, and I'm looking for a gunsmith.
H. C.
24 March 2003, 19:32
<G.Malmborg>HenryC470,
I have had a lot of Winchester 70's come thru the shop with a hard operating, or no operating safety. A lot of the time it is because their safety notch timing was out of whack because some hack tried changing the sear angle to lighten the pull.
When this happens, the safety and the safety notch on the firing pin become misaligned making it difficult if not impossible to place the gun on safe.
While it is possible to make your trigger work, you will more than likely have to make ajustments including the one mentioned above. Firing pins are a bit pricey should that get screwed up.
It is cheaper in the long run to simply replace the trigger pieces right off the bat on this one.
Good luck,
Malm
Jeeze.......never go back to this guy. He a dangerious. All that needs to be done is to back off the spring that controls the pull weight and set the overtravel. I only requires a small wrench and screwdriver. If he can't handle this "kitchen table" job he needs to close shop before someone gets killed.
http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/AdjustingWinTrigger.htm We have a mennice like this guy in my area. He a actually ramped a Winchester semi auto 308 as if it were a m-1911 pistol. Blew the crap out of the rifle and injured the shooter, first shot. He has "swiss cheesed" numerious receivers. The good shop in town has fixed bunches of his jobs. Somehow he is still in business. He has no understanding of what he is doing but, still he persists. I don't understand how he gets insurance.
[ 03-24-2003, 21:03: Message edited by: scot ]