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600.00 vrs. 2000.00
15 March 2010, 20:43
srtrax600.00 vrs. 2000.00
2 Questions:
Can a person buy a Cannon SXi, or say a Nikon D5000 and buy better after market lenses and still get good (great) pictures. I'm wanting to photograph work in progress, and finished photos of rifles without spending a couple grand. I know you usally get what you pay for but I'm not going professional in this field, just after good clear pictures...CAN IT BE DONE CHEAPER?
What is inside a $2000.00 camera than say a 600.00 dollar camera that makes it a better camera?
I'm not a camera man yet, have only used the point and shoot, so forgive me if this is a dumbass question!!!
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Steve Traxson
15 March 2010, 21:54
MacifejBuy a Canon G7,G9, G10 etc for about $400 and get proficient. More camera than most can master. Spending more is diminishing returns unless you're a pro. Answer: the glass makes the biggest difference.
16 March 2010, 18:09
The SpecialistAftermarket lenses are not a patch on the factory stuff by Leica, Nikon or Cannon.
That's where you really get what you pay for.
A $2000+ camera body will usually have a larger sensor than a cheaper camera, that's important if you want to print LARGER than 8x10".
I get to use a lot of cameras, I just had a go with the Cannon 7D fitted with an L-series 70 to 200mm zoom.
Stunning bit of gear, but I still wouldn't swap my Panasonic FZ 18 for one.
I would recommend you have a look at a Panasonic Lumix FZ, Cannon Powershot or the Nikon Coolpix.
The Lumix is easier to fit filters or accessories to. But they all lack an easy way to use a remote flash, that is a bit of a pain.
"When doing battle, seek a quick victory."
16 March 2010, 19:31
SaeedIf you are considering taking photos indoor, the quality difference between an SLR and a non SLR camera is quite a lot.
If you are taking photos outsdoide in good light, a good camerra like the canon G10 or G11 should be quite sufficient.
If you do go with an SLR, take my advice, don't even consider a lense by any other manufacturer except the maker of the camera. And then only by a lense that has image stabilization.
Tamron, Sigma and so on make lots of lense, and I have tried most of them.
None can be compared to a Nikon lense on a Nikon camera or a Canon lense on a Canon camera.
16 March 2010, 21:03
srtraxThanks guys that'll give me something to chew on for awhile.
Most pictures will be done inside.
My daughters boyfriend is getting into photography, so I'll have to keep an eye on him...
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Steve Traxson
18 March 2010, 02:16
The Specialistquote:
so I'll have to keep an eye on him
Both eyes
and maybe a trail cam
"When doing battle, seek a quick victory."
25 March 2010, 00:39
DB BillNikon has recentely dscontinued the D40 SLR and you can find one, with a decent zoom lens, for about $400 --- great little camera. The other thing you might need, for your specific use photographing guns is a Macro lens -- get a Nikon.
DB Bill aka Bill George
I looked long and hard at a lot of possibilities, and ended up buying a Nikon D90 with an 18-200mm Nikkor lens (with vibration reduction). I think this is the best one body - one lens combination one can buy today. I got mine for much less than $2,000.
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27 March 2010, 06:52
Ske1eterLook at B&H Photo's webpage under the used section and consider a Canon 20D, 30D, or 40D then pick up a top of the line lens. You'll be good to go. Check frequently as it seems to change very often.
My poor 20D still spits out nice pictures with my 70-200L 2.8f lens.
22 July 2010, 22:01
BushelerIt's all about the glass and few things mean less than sensor size.
Though I'm guilty of FF,1.3x and 1.6x.
23 July 2010, 10:50
SnowwolfeIt is not all about the camera. Digital photography has made it easier for the average person to get better photos but you still need to know the basics. And the basics are good glass, superb tripod and using either a remote release or the camera's built in self timer.
If you cant hold a $5,000 camera with a $7,000 lens attached to it completely still with good lighting your shots will show your inexperience.
You need a reasonably good body, a superb tripod, really good glass, great lighting, and the F stop set to capture more depth of field if you want to photograph guns.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
23 July 2010, 20:36
Bushelerquote:
Originally posted by Snowwolfe:
It is not all about the camera. Digital photography has made it easier for the average person to get better photos but you still need to know the basics. And the basics are good glass, superb tripod and using either a remote release or the camera's built in self timer.
If you cant hold a $5,000 camera with a $7,000 lens attached to it completely still with good lighting your shots will show your inexperience.
You need a reasonably good body, a superb tripod, really good glass, great lighting, and the F stop set to capture more depth of field if you want to photograph guns.
If only obviously.
With increased ISO,comes increased shutterspeeds...even when stopping down. About the only time I gun a tripod,is when catching the Northern Lights or fending extreme cold,when I lose dexterity.
Couple an IS lens with Today's ISO capabilities and you can reliably ring the bell in light that others would have scoffed,not but a few years ago.
What body/glass are you shooting?
23 July 2010, 22:21
SnowwolfeIncreased ISO's come at the expense of image quality so it is a trade off.
Current bodies include Canon 30,40 and 50D's and my favorite two lenses at the moment are the 70-200F2.8 and 500F.4 IS.
Sorry, will disagree with you on the tripod. Once in a awhile it is possible to nail the photo perfectly by hand holding but a tripod should always be used.
It is like a shooter claiming he can shoot better off hand than he can off the bench, aint gonna happen.
My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost.
23 July 2010, 22:30
BushelerYou haven't a body in the larder,that handles increased ISO's.
Let's trade handheld pics to tripod shots...it'll be fun(for me).
23 July 2010, 23:07
BushelerI'll start slow. Canon 1Ds,70-200L non-IS.
Handheld a given.
24 July 2010, 07:07
Ske1eterA larger sensor doesn't necessarily reflect a higher pixel count. Another good thing about the larger sensors found in digital SLR's is that the "light well" (the area on the chip that gathers the light for a pixel) is larger. This allows for a higher ISO to be used with less resulting noise.
24 July 2010, 07:18
BushelerI'm a 1.6x Sensor Slut and wish the 1D was it,as opposed to 1.3x.
I shoot FF(obviously),but am not enthralled solely on sensor sizing.
Hang some pics.
24 July 2010, 12:42
Busheler1D MKIIn/400 5.6L.
Handheld a given.
24 July 2010, 12:44
BushelerIIn/100-400.
Handheld.
24 July 2010, 12:57
MacifejCanon L glass is always good stuff!
24 July 2010, 17:35
rcamugliaVery impressive photos.
Please remain calm.
26 July 2010, 16:22
The SpecialistNice Photos!
They show, It's ALL about the LIGHT.
And it's not what you've got ... it's how you use it.
"When doing battle, seek a quick victory."
26 July 2010, 23:17
Macifejquote:
And it's not what you've got ... it's how you use it.
27 July 2010, 00:00
eezridrHave used a Cannon 40D or D40? for years with a 70-200 (F4 L lens: IMS) and also a 300 L F4 IMS Lens. Also have 1.4 and 2X L multipliers. Both of these lens are sharp and relatively light. I recent bougth a Cannon 7D and love it. It is a little heavier than the 40D but is also better weather proofed. I have smaller pocket camera as well and use it when traveling light. It is a Cannon.
If you happen to buy a Cannon SLR, make sure and get their 15-85 lens. A great general purpose lens you will use 10X as much as the long lenses.
EZ
28 July 2010, 00:38
rcamugliaI own the Panasonic Lumix FZ-18 (think that's the model)
It's pretty foolproof on the Intelligent Auto settings. I need to learn more about the others. I've done some experimenting with the other settings and have taken some good pics but forgot how to do it now!
28 July 2010, 16:58
The SpecialistThe Panasonic FZ 18 is by far my favorite camera.
It has it's limiting factors, mainly no easy way to use a remote flash. But all in all it is brilliant.
If your not concerned with having a BIGGER one than the next guy it will do some amazing things.
I had a few pics on Flicker and got NO response, I thought that it was a bit strange that no one liked my pics.
Then a mate said it was the camera, not the pics. So I took a few similar shots and swapped the Photo info for the same info as his Cannon D7 ... set up another account put up the Doctored pics and sure enough RAVE reviews .... people can be so pathetic.
"When doing battle, seek a quick victory."
29 July 2010, 22:27
rcamugliaIt only cost me 300$ too
