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cleaning Rim Fire Rifle 22lr
13 August 2016, 15:57
shootawaycleaning Rim Fire Rifle 22lr
Has anyone used a borescope on a 22lr when shooting lead bullets? What is the thing to be concerned of most? Is it lead fouling,carbon,powder? Is there anything that is not easily removed with solvent and a brush?
13 August 2016, 17:02
GrenadierI use dental floss and toothpaste. Not only does it prevent cavities but it leaves the bore smelling clean and minty.
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13 August 2016, 17:54
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by Grenadier:
I use dental floss and toothpaste. Not only does it prevent cavities but it leaves the bore smelling clean and minty.
I use
sun bright lemon liquid14 August 2016, 01:37
drhall762quote:
Is there anything that is not easily removed with solvent and a brush?
No. I use a bore brush, patches and Hoppe's #9. Has worked for 40 years. Don't think I'll change.
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14 August 2016, 02:42
B L O'Connorquote:
Originally posted by drhall762:
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Is there anything that is not easily removed with solvent and a brush?
No. I use a bore brush, patches and Hoppe's #9. Has worked for 40 years. Don't think I'll change.
Same here, though I seldom clean my CZ. I only take action if crud prevents a round from chambering smoothly, or if the extractor looks bad (in which case I clean the bolt face).
As for flossing, the
benefits of flossing are suspect, at best.
14 August 2016, 04:02
drhall762quote:
Originally posted by B L O'Connor:
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Originally posted by drhall762:
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Is there anything that is not easily removed with solvent and a brush?
No. I use a bore brush, patches and Hoppe's #9. Has worked for 40 years. Don't think I'll change.
Same here, though I seldom clean my CZ. I only take action if crud prevents a round from chambering smoothly, or if the extractor looks bad (in which case I clean the bolt face).
As for flossing, the
benefits of flossing are suspect, at best.
Agreed. Over cleaning may be the ruin of many a good .22 rifle.
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14 August 2016, 09:08
Bren7X64I haven't cleaned my Brno no1 since I got it in the 80s - it still shoots 10 rounds into a thumbnail-size group at 70 yards.
I give it a wipe-down externally when I put it away and clean the bolt face every 200 rounds or so.
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14 August 2016, 21:37
nopride2I clean the bores of my 22's about once a year. Probably not needed, but I feel better.
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15 August 2016, 17:20
A/C guyI Have two Ruger Mark II's. I brush the chamber about once a year. When the trigger starts to feel "gritty", I clean the action. Almost never clean the bore as standard velocity waxed bullets don't produce much leading. When the bore does get cleaned it's with a patch pulled through with a piece of weed eater string with a button melted on the end (no brush).
15 August 2016, 20:47
Evan K.Ultimately it depends on what your accuracy standards are and how consistent it needs to shoot. For a minute-of-squirrel sporter I may scrub the bore once a year (and will clean the exterior after each use) but for target rifles I may pull patches after every single target. The sporter has a much looser chamber compared to the short and tight match chambers in target rifles so they just aren't as finicky in the first place. What I'm concerned about is the ring of carbon and lead that forms at the mouth and leade of the chamber where it meets at the rifling, and how big of a window you get before the buildup starts to affect things downrange. Some need to be cleaned very often and some barely need it. I've been able to use a Hawkeye borescope a few times and it can be interesting to compare before/after cleaning to see exactly where and how fouling builds up in the rifle. This is the chamber mouth in my Suhl 150 through a borescope:
I expect it to consistently shoot groups under .2" at 50 yards with the right lot of Eley Match and have learned it does best with the barrel pretty clean. I will pull 2-3 dry patches down the bore immediately after shooting a target while the wax and fouling is still soft to slow down the carbon ring buildup and will scrub it down bare with Iosso bore paste every 400-500 rounds or so, when I start to notice unexplained fliers. It takes four shots to get it back on zero after pulling patches.
If you use a good one piece cleaning rod with a tight fitting bore guide (and don't gorilla the cleaning rod), you are not going to damage anything. It's the improper cleaning that does it.
This is a really in-depth article on rimfire cleaning:
http://www.rrdvegas.com/rimfire-cleaning.html
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08 December 2016, 16:51
Pa.FrankYour supposed to clean 22's?
I haven't put a brush or patch through my 581 ever... and I've had it a dn shot it for over 40 years. still shoots and functions fine... the squirrels, pigeons, and miscellaneous other critters never noticed the difference
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25 December 2016, 17:39
shootawayquote:
Originally posted by Evan K.:
Ultimately it depends on what your accuracy standards are and how consistent it needs to shoot. For a minute-of-squirrel sporter I may scrub the bore once a year (and will clean the exterior after each use) but for target rifles I may pull patches after every single target. The sporter has a much looser chamber compared to the short and tight match chambers in target rifles so they just aren't as finicky in the first place. What I'm concerned about is the ring of carbon and lead that forms at the mouth and leade of the chamber where it meets at the rifling, and how big of a window you get before the buildup starts to affect things downrange. Some need to be cleaned very often and some barely need it. I've been able to use a Hawkeye borescope a few times and it can be interesting to compare before/after cleaning to see exactly where and how fouling builds up in the rifle. This is the chamber mouth in my Suhl 150 through a borescope:
I expect it to consistently shoot groups under .2" at 50 yards with the right lot of Eley Match and have learned it does best with the barrel pretty clean. I will pull 2-3 dry patches down the bore immediately after shooting a target while the wax and fouling is still soft to slow down the carbon ring buildup and will scrub it down bare with Iosso bore paste every 400-500 rounds or so, when I start to notice unexplained fliers. It takes four shots to get it back on zero after pulling patches.
If you use a good one piece cleaning rod with a tight fitting bore guide (and don't gorilla the cleaning rod), you are not going to damage anything. It's the improper cleaning that does it.
This is a really in-depth article on rimfire cleaning:
http://www.rrdvegas.com/rimfire-cleaning.html
Thanks for that helpful picture.That is about what I use as a cleaning routine.I try to clean right after a trip to the range to prevent fouling from hardening and sticking.I also use a paste about every 500rds.What borescope where you using and would that do well fore my big bores too?
26 December 2016, 21:38
Michael Michalski2 patches with Clensoil after shooting. That's all.
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20 March 2017, 06:33
shootawayHere is my CZ again.This time right after a good cleaning.You can see it took about five rds to settle before shooting 4 in the bulls eye open sights at 100yds.The 308win Walther Lothar barrelled rifle shot well too right after a good scrubbing and no fouler required.All open sight shooting at 100yds.This was my routine sighting in check before my offhand shooting routine.
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25 March 2017, 04:21
shootawayHere is a combination of my Cz 22LR and my 308 target rifle offhand, open sights at 100yds during a snow shower.Some of the shots outside of the orange where sighting in and fouling shots before adjustment.
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25 March 2017, 19:16
p dog shooterquote:
Your supposed to clean 22's?
Very seldom for sure.
26 March 2017, 05:28
PeterDepends on the firearm and your accuracy standards. The bullseye and B/R shooters that I know NEVER use a brush. They use a patch soaked in solvent and pull it through (breech to bore) with a "string" for want of a better term.
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when i clean my 1022 custom i use one of the plastic coated gun cleaning cables and a patch soaked in hoppe's then pull a dry patch though then pull a patch soaked with remoil through.......... i still try not to let anything touch the crown of the barrel........
30 March 2017, 00:36
shootawayI am beginning to like 22's.What I think would be a great help would be a very heavy 22.That way you can shoot it a lot and really strengthen your hold.Come to think of it, if I ever wear out my CZ,I will rebore with a heavy barrel.
30 March 2017, 01:12
PeterThe NS 522 is such a rifle. Imported by Kengs it was favored by MS shooters and an entry level BR50 rifle as I recollect.
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30 March 2017, 01:28
shootawayI mean around a 6lbs barrel.
31 March 2017, 19:32
StonecreekIt typically takes firing several dozen rounds to restore the accuracy of a good Rimfire barrel after it has been "cleaned". "Clean" it enough and you can prevent good accuracy entirely in the future.
31 March 2017, 19:59
Gatogordoquote:
if I ever wear out my CZ
If you keep cleaning it, which is totally unnecessary for the level of accuracy you need (off hand at 100 yds), that will happen much sooner than it would in the normal course of events.
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26 May 2018, 20:27
AtkinsonI normally use a boresnake every 6th year.
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16 July 2021, 17:42
dwcarsquote:
Originally posted by Peter:
Depends on the firearm and your accuracy standards. The bullseye and B/R shooters that I know NEVER use a brush. They use a patch soaked in solvent and pull it through (breech to bore) with a "string" for want of a better term.
Peter
No even a nylon bore brush~????
16 July 2021, 17:47
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18 July 2021, 00:09
Steve E.Upload it to some place like Imgur (it's free) and then go from there, it's super easy.
I usually just run a bore snake through mine about once a year and then wipe down the outside.
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02 March 2022, 18:33
dwcarsquote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I normally use a boresnake every 6th year.
A man who thinks like I do, and I have some pretty darned accurate .22s in long guns and handguns. Currently shooting my newly acquired 1885 Winchester made by Miroku. Amazing little gun~!
02 March 2022, 18:52
dwcars[QUOTE]Originally posted by dwcars:
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02 March 2022, 18:54
dwcarsquote:
See image URL next message.
I don’t shoot a 22 rim fire much. Last time I cleaned the bore on any of them was in the 1960s. They’re Volquartsen, Anschutz and Remington. They’re very accurate
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quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I normally use a boresnake every 6th year.
I'm now using bore-snakes for several calibers. I think they do a really great job and eliminate all those messy patches and drippy solvents. Very effective tool. Kudos to the people who invented it.
I think it depends on what kind of .22 you are talking about. Handguns will build up lead and revolvers are the worst. Once lead starts to build up it only gets worse and has to be removed. The ammunition also makes a difference. Some of the stuff that is out there these days is really dirty. If I see lead build-up in a barrel with the bore scope I don't stop cleaning until it is gone.
C.G.B.
05 August 2022, 23:42
dwcarsquote:
http://www.rrdvegas.com/rimfire-cleaning.html
Regarding the older.22 rifles, I've found two problems.
1) carbon. If carbon deposits are left for a very long time, they become very difficult to remove. I plug the barrel and fill the bore with "Kreen" and let it soak overnight. A bronze brush will generally remove the softened carbon the first try. If it doesn't, repeat.
2) lead. Lead deposits are tough and can make the bore look like it's badly corroded. Using the same procedure as referred to with "Kreen", use "Kroil"and after allowing to soak overnight, scrub with a bronze brush or a worn out .20 cal brush wrapped with bronze wool for a tight fit and scrub like the devil. As the lead is removed from the grooves, the bore will look better and better.
My 1890 made in 1924 had a bore that appeared quite rough and corroded. After the above procedure with the carbon and lead mostly gone, the bore looks VERY satisfactory with grooves that are deep and lands that look quite sharp. From now on a bore snake will 'take care of business'~!