reds

12 August 2018, 01:44

crane

Bristol Bay, particularly Nushagak district was off the charts. Kenai/Copper River both terrible. Currently Kenai closed to sportfishing for Reds. Kasilof good. Lots of talk about what new Governor will do in regard to allocation of resource. The demographics say personal use, subsistence and sport outvote the commercial interests by a large margin. Kenai still 200,000 short of preseason escapement goal and commercial guys took close to 750,000.

12 August 2018, 02:32

MARK H. YOUNG

Yes! Bristol Bay. There isn't anything quite like it.

12 August 2018, 03:53

Scott King

So far all of the Nushagak districts return goals have been met or far exceeded.
The reds are everywhere. Rivers are full, lakes are full. There's reds in the yard, reds in the bathtub, reds eating out of the fridge. They bump you in the post office and cut in line at the store.
I can't wait for them all to die.

12 August 2018, 08:36

Fourtyonesix

You guys need a very large open pit mine over there to curb the number of reds your seeing.

12 August 2018, 09:36

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
So far all of the Nushagak districts return goals have been met or far exceeded.
The reds are everywhere. Rivers are full, lakes are full. There's reds in the yard, reds in the bathtub, reds eating out of the fridge. They bump you in the post office and cut in line at the store.
I can't wait for them all to die.

quote:
Originally posted by Fourtyonesix:
You guys need a very large open pit mine over there to curb the number of reds your seeing.

Gawd! Doesn't it just make you sick to think that someone's greed is allowing them to propose a project that has the potential of ruining such a wonderful place.

Jason

"You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core."
_______________________

Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt.

Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry
Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure.

-Jason Brown

12 August 2018, 20:17

Fourtyonesix

“Some greedy bastards”......
Keep in mind we all want to make money. Just because someone else wants to do it different and it interferes with something we like don’t make them greedy bastards. Unless of course we are the selfish bastards that don’t want our fun place messed up by the greedy bastards. Lol

13 August 2018, 00:33

Scott King

We'll happily dig the open pit mine in your hunting ground.

13 August 2018, 01:30

Fourtyonesix

quote:
Originally posted by Scott King:
We'll happily dig the open pit mine in your hunting ground.

Lol no need. I don’t have a problem with to many reds where I’m at!

(FYI I’m not a supporter of the whole pebble gig...tongue in cheek comment about it)

13 August 2018, 02:17

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Fourtyonesix:
“Some greedy bastards”......
Keep in mind we all want to make money. Just because someone else wants to do it different and it interferes with something we like don’t make them greedy bastards.

I don't know that I agree that, "we all want to make money". We all need to make money to live and feed our families but most of us are not trying to become rich.

The people who own these large companies are rich by our standards and that is fine. What I have a problem with is the fact that their "greed" causes them to do things that threaten our environment just so that they can increase their already sizable wealth.

I would guess that if I offered you a sizable chunk of change to dump toxic waste in remote wilderness area you would refuse even if it was far from where you live and would not directly affect you. You would refuse because you have a conscience.

These people, like many before them, are willing to do things that they know could permanently harm an important ecosystem. They have one single motivation: greed.

Wanting to preserve our wild places so that we, along with future generations, can enjoy them while these wild places help to keep our planet healthy is not selfish.

13 August 2018, 02:56

Fourtyonesix

quote:
Originally posted by JBrown:
quote:
Originally posted by Fourtyonesix:
“Some greedy bastards”......
Keep in mind we all want to make money. Just because someone else wants to do it different and it interferes with something we like don’t make them greedy bastards.

I don't know that I agree that, "we all want to make money". We all need to make money to live and feed our families but most of us are not trying to become rich.

The people who own these large companies are rich by our standards and that is fine. What I have a problem with is the fact that their "greed" causes them to do things that threaten our environment just so that they can increase their already sizable wealth.

I would guess that if I offered you a sizable chunk of change to dump toxic waste in remote wilderness area you would refuse even if it was far from where you live and would not directly affect you. You would refuse because you have a conscience.

These people, like many before them, are willing to do things that they know could permanently harm an important ecosystem. They have one single motivation: greed.

Wanting to preserve our wild places so that we, along with future generations, can enjoy them while these wild places help to keep our planet healthy is not selfish.

Totally agree and I understand where your coming from. I had just had a email from a anti hunter and they use emotionally charged adjectives to describe hunters. I never liked that. Shows weakness in holding emotion when trying to discuss a subject someone is passionate about. Then I see “greedy bastards”, didn’t mean to go off on you and wasn’t trying to. Merely trying to convey how something is presented.

13 August 2018, 03:24

JBrown

I had not remembered calling them "bastards" and had to go back to reread my post after you quoted me. You are correct about keeping emotion out of the discussion. I went back and edited my original post.

They way I look at the Pebble Mine debate is simple. Guys like you(I know that you're not in the BB area) and Scott King are making a living off of the sport fishing/hunting industry. Others are making a living in the commercial fishing industry or the photo tourism industry. All of these industries have little impact on the environment and have the potential to continue forever.

The mine on the other hand will only employ people as long as the mine in economically viable, which will come to an end at some point. The mine also has the potential to destroy an important natural environment and all of the other industries it supports.

13 August 2018, 09:25

Fourtyonesix

Mining is a dirty business. Nothing irks me more than being out remote and seeing half a old excavator buried in the creek bed and piles of old twisted rusted metal Latin about. As far as pebble is concerned, I don’t see how the risks are even worth it.

14 August 2018, 02:46

Scott King

Seems like the way most here in the area see it is that the fishery is valuable, does make quite a bit of money and we only stand to lose from the mines construction and operation.
This year processors are buying reds for as much as $2 per pound and kings for as much as $3 from Gill net fishermen. Everyone here in the Nushagak district, literally the potential drain of pebble mine is very happy without the mine up stream of us.

16 August 2018, 05:41

JBrown

quote:
Originally posted by Fourtyonesix:
Mining is a dirty business. Nothing irks me more than being out remote and seeing half a old excavator buried in the creek bed and piles of old twisted rusted metal Latin about. As far as pebble is concerned, I don’t see how the risks are even worth it.

And it seems like they always claim that these industries have cleaned-up their acts. I still see too much of the mess they left in the past to buy that....

22 August 2018, 01:52

Snyd

Reds are in the Copper thick! I was there last thursday. Th, Fri and Sat everyone was getting limits or as many as they wanted.

22 August 2018, 05:42

Snyd

Kenai is reopened for reds.

22 August 2018, 20:36

tsturm

quote:
Originally posted by Fourtyonesix:
Mining is a dirty business. Nothing irks me more than being out remote and seeing half a old excavator buried in the creek bed and piles of old twisted rusted metal Latin about. As far as pebble is concerned, I don’t see how the risks are even worth it.

& empty fuel drums scattered over the flatter mountain tops from "early" aviators