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25 June 2019, 03:32
K Evans
Scopes are gun parts?
Thi past weekend I flew out of Denver back to DFW,Denver International is always busy and security is usually slow, yesterday was no exception. What was an exception was a never before seen sign (by me, anyway)at the entrance to the metal detector saying "No firearm parts allowed in carry on luggage". A poor guy, dressed for safari, about 6 ahead of me had an extra scope in his backpack and was rejected...a scope with rings is classified as a firearm part, at least in Denver, yesterday by that particular TSA guy. Couldn't carry the scope in his carry on, since he had obviously already checked his bags I don't know how he would put the scope in his checked bags. He wasn't very happy.


Karl Evans

25 June 2019, 03:39
BuffHunter63
Speed loaders are also considered gun parts by some TSA.

I wouldn’t attempt to carry a holster or anything used or closely associated with firearms in carryon.

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25 June 2019, 04:52
DLS
While SOME TSA person may think it’s a gun part, it isn’t. Their opinion does not carry weight of law, THE LAW does. I think he should have demanded a supervisor get involved, and if necessary, that person’s supervisor. Also, all information about the TSA idiot who started this crap should be taken down and all should be advised that a complaint about each of them will be made. It may not help, but if enough people stand up for themselves, this crap wouldn’t happen as often.
25 June 2019, 04:52
wwgreener
Government stupidity.
25 June 2019, 07:28
armbar
One ALWAYS must print TSA's regs to show to the employees that try this crap. It says right in the TSA website that scopes are fine in carry on.
25 June 2019, 16:27
Saeed
An anti gun idiot!


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26 June 2019, 00:36
JTEX
Most of the TSA people are unqualified and don't know their own policy. This needs to be rectified!

quote:
I think he should have demanded a supervisor get involved, and if necessary, that person’s supervisor. Also, all information about the TSA idiot who started this crap should be taken down and all should be advised that a complaint about each of them will be made. It may not help, but if enough people stand up for themselves, this crap wouldn’t happen as often.


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26 June 2019, 01:29
Off_Shore
quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
Thi past weekend I flew out of Denver back to DFW,Denver International is always busy and security is usually slow, yesterday was no exception. What was an exception was a never before seen sign (by me, anyway)at the entrance to the metal detector saying "No firearm parts allowed in carry on luggage". A poor guy, dressed for safari, about 6 ahead of me had an extra scope in his backpack and was rejected...a scope with rings is classified as a firearm part, at least in Denver, yesterday by that particular TSA guy. Couldn't carry the scope in his carry on, since he had obviously already checked his bags I don't know how he would put the scope in his checked bags. He wasn't very happy.


He would be escorted, by security, back to the check-in desk, where a cardboard box would be supplied for it, marked 'firearm' and duly tagged and checked-in and the box placed in the cargo section of the plane.

Don't ask me how I know.
26 June 2019, 01:30
Use Enough Gun
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/sec...fle-scope-scope-only
Here is the link from the TSA Website stating that scopes can be carried in your carry-on. More dumbass TSA fools that don't know the law! Someone needs to school these idiots!
26 June 2019, 02:15
Bud Meadows
Sounds like the CBP guy in Detroit who told me Leupold scopes are made in Germany and I needed a 4457 for my scope. Luckily Leupold scopes have “ Made in USA” stamped on them and I showed the CBP cretin the Leupold website which stated “Proudy designed, manufactured and marketed in Oregon”. I asked him which part of Germany was Oregon located?


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26 June 2019, 16:18
TJH
quote:
Originally posted by Use Enough Gun:
https://www.tsa.gov/travel/sec...fle-scope-scope-only
Here is the link from the TSA Website stating that scopes can be carried in your carry-on. More dumbass TSA fools that don't know the law! Someone needs to school these idiots!


Dumb as it may be the last sentence of your link reads.


"The final decision rests with the TSA officer on whether an item is allowed through the checkpoint"
26 June 2019, 16:48
brent ebeling
We came theu washington dulles yesterday with a scope in carry on, no problems
26 June 2019, 19:45
Stonecreek
TSA, like CBP, pays their employees poorly, their working conditions are below average, their supervisors are often incompetent and overbearing, and they are largely recruited from the ranks of the otherwise unemployable. And, there are never enough of them on duty to handle the volume in a timely manner. Despite this, there are a number of excellent people working for TSA who have to work alongside the less-than-excellent, but who are tarred by the reputations of their co-workers.

The traveling public should demand that both TSA and CPB upgrade their workforce by paying competitive salaries, increasing the number of employees to match the volume of traffic they must deal with, and investing in effective training programs so that they have a better handle on what they're supposed to be doing and understand the concept of customer service. We're already paying for this through the various taxes and fees associated with air travel; we're just not getting what we pay for and much of the money is being siphoned off into other uses.
27 June 2019, 06:00
Use Enough Gun
quote:
"The final decision rests with the TSA officer on whether an item is allowed through the checkpoint"

TJH: You're absolutely right. That official 'cop out' just adds to the confusion. Best to carry the regs with you if in doubt. Maybe the regs would carry some weight on the 'final decision', or maybe it would just enable them to do what they personally want to do-to hell with the regs. That's what it seems to imply-he or she doesn't really understand or know, so he or she can just do what they want to do and screw the passenger. Or, in other words, they can be wrong, but not wrong (in their minds).
27 June 2019, 07:33
armbar
The OP said "a scope with rings". The TSA website says "Scope Only". If one had a scope with rings, I could see how you wouldn't win against a TSA agent even if you printed the regs from the website.

But, it's still ridiculous.
27 June 2019, 11:51
Charlie64
.

Recently took a new boxed Swaro scope in my hand luggage from RSA to Lagos and then Lagos through Frankfurt to Dusseldorf.

4 sec checks - all wanted to see the scope and open the box. RSA no issue. Lagos no issue. Frankfurt G4S sec official called a border police officer over who simply said it's not a weapon and all ok.

Don't think rings or mounts would have made the slightest difference.

.


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27 June 2019, 16:56
The Norwegian
I have put scopes in my carry on luggage on many trips. No questions asked except Frankfurt. On three occasions I have been held back by security ( ladies ) suspicous that this is something dangerous. Called the police and at one occasion they started laughing.. Zeiss ( German top quality ) was known to the police guys, but not for the security lady. I tried to explain to her... but I must have looked like a terrorist... Maybe it is the battery inside regulated the red dot that makes them suspicous…


Morten


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27 June 2019, 18:11
K Evans
Lots of good comments, I personally think it was the rings that caused the problem (and an overzealous or uninformed TSA guy). I agree that we are not getting our money's worth or the service we deserve from most TSA employees, and it's not just at Denver, I had one dumbass at DFW shout at me when I tried to explain there was no serial number on a T/C barrel.
I know of several African outfitters who have departed the U S with items regulated by ITAR in their carry on...no questions or problems.
But to my original post...I mentioned there was a sign disallowing firearm parts at the entrance to the check station and this was the first time I've seen the sign. Has anyone else seen such a sign?


Karl Evans

27 June 2019, 18:30
BaxterB
quote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
TSA, like CBP, pays their employees poorly, their working conditions are below average, their supervisors are often incompetent and overbearing, and they are largely recruited from the ranks of the otherwise unemployable. And, there are never enough of them on duty to handle the volume in a timely manner. Despite this, there are a number of excellent people working for TSA who have to work alongside the less-than-excellent, but who are tarred by the reputations of their co-workers.

The traveling public should demand that both TSA and CPB upgrade their workforce by paying competitive salaries, increasing the number of employees to match the volume of traffic they must deal with, and investing in effective training programs so that they have a better handle on what they're supposed to be doing and understand the concept of customer service. We're already paying for this through the various taxes and fees associated with air travel; we're just not getting what we pay for and much of the money is being siphoned off into other uses.


Too many people at TSA simply see the job as easy money. Giving them more of it won’t change them, and the system has no way separating the wheat from the chaff.

I went through Dulles once with a bag that had plenty of gunpowder residue on it from shooting clays. The TSA agent got two, count them, two positives for explosives and while yapping to her coworker, told me “This thing always acting up.” And waved me through. Think about that shit.

Then again, when I took my rifle out to D’Arcy Echols’ place in February, they were very easy to deal with.


The inconsistency is the maddening part. It’s like dealing with a schizophrenic.
27 June 2019, 19:53
MARK H. YOUNG
I don't think these TSA people are anti anything they are just ignorant about guns and ill trained. It's much easier to just not carry your scope in your hand luggage. Why fight them? You can't win.

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27 June 2019, 20:51
Todd Williams
quote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
TSA, like CBP, pays their employees poorly, their working conditions are below average, their supervisors are often incompetent and overbearing, and they are largely recruited from the ranks of the otherwise unemployable. And, there are never enough of them on duty to handle the volume in a timely manner. Despite this, there are a number of excellent people working for TSA who have to work alongside the less-than-excellent, but who are tarred by the reputations of their co-workers.

The traveling public should demand that both TSA and CPB upgrade their workforce by paying competitive salaries, increasing the number of employees to match the volume of traffic they must deal with, and investing in effective training programs so that they have a better handle on what they're supposed to be doing and understand the concept of customer service. We're already paying for this through the various taxes and fees associated with air travel; we're just not getting what we pay for and much of the money is being siphoned off into other uses.


Too many people at TSA simply see the job as easy money. Giving them more of it won’t change them, and the system has no way separating the wheat from the chaff.

I went through Dulles once with a bag that had plenty of gunpowder residue on it from shooting clays. The TSA agent got two, count them, two positives for explosives and while yapping to her coworker, told me “This thing always acting up.” And waved me through. Think about that shit.

Then again, when I took my rifle out to D’Arcy Echols’ place in February, they were very easy to deal with.


The inconsistency is the maddening part. It’s like dealing with a schizophrenic.


Completely agree with you Baxter.

It's all eye wash for the masses anyway.

Take for example knives and other cutting instruments. We all know the 9-11 hijackings were performed with box cutters. So no more box cutters, scissors, small knives in the cabin right?

Think about this one. A trip to the lavatory with a common credit card and an emory board and you can fashion a razor sharp cutting tool in just a few mins. One of the examples we used to get the Federal Flight Deck Officer program instituted whereby the pilots may, or may not, be armed behind the cockpit door.
28 June 2019, 03:52
Beretta682E
quote:
Originally posted by Todd Williams:
quote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
TSA, like CBP, pays their employees poorly, their working conditions are below average, their supervisors are often incompetent and overbearing, and they are largely recruited from the ranks of the otherwise unemployable. And, there are never enough of them on duty to handle the volume in a timely manner. Despite this, there are a number of excellent people working for TSA who have to work alongside the less-than-excellent, but who are tarred by the reputations of their co-workers.

The traveling public should demand that both TSA and CPB upgrade their workforce by paying competitive salaries, increasing the number of employees to match the volume of traffic they must deal with, and investing in effective training programs so that they have a better handle on what they're supposed to be doing and understand the concept of customer service. We're already paying for this through the various taxes and fees associated with air travel; we're just not getting what we pay for and much of the money is being siphoned off into other uses.


Too many people at TSA simply see the job as easy money. Giving them more of it won’t change them, and the system has no way separating the wheat from the chaff.

I went through Dulles once with a bag that had plenty of gunpowder residue on it from shooting clays. The TSA agent got two, count them, two positives for explosives and while yapping to her coworker, told me “This thing always acting up.” And waved me through. Think about that shit.

Then again, when I took my rifle out to D’Arcy Echols’ place in February, they were very easy to deal with.


The inconsistency is the maddening part. It’s like dealing with a schizophrenic.


Completely agree with you Baxter.

It's all eye wash for the masses anyway.

Take for example knives and other cutting instruments. We all know the 9-11 hijackings were performed with box cutters. So no more box cutters, scissors, small knives in the cabin right?

Think about this one. A trip to the lavatory with a common credit card and an emory board and you can fashion a razor sharp cutting tool in just a few mins. One of the examples we used to get the Federal Flight Deck Officer program instituted whereby the pilots may, or may not, be armed behind the cockpit door.


Todd

The terrorists on 9/11 used leathermen knives/tools.

Was told to me by a security officer at clug airport in Romania. I was sick as a dog with the flu after my hunt and had by mistake packed my leathermen in my back pack.

It went thru the machine 5-6 times and security nor I could find it. The head of security was screaming at the young girl behind the machine. She stood her ground as she was being screamed at. Finally the black leathermen skeletool was found in one of the pockets of the 5.11 back pack. I gave it her and apologized. The security guys were more worried about my health than the leathermen but one of them told me about leathermen and 9/11.

https://books.google.com/books...%2F11%20wave&f=false

Mike
28 June 2019, 06:31
medved
quote:
Originally posted by The Norwegian:
I have put scopes in my carry on luggage on many trips. No questions asked except Frankfurt. On three occasions I have been held back by security ( ladies ) suspicous that this is something dangerous. Called the police and at one occasion they started laughing.. Zeiss ( German top quality ) was known to the police guys, but not for the security lady. I tried to explain to her... but I must have looked like a terrorist... Maybe it is the battery inside regulated the red dot that makes them suspicous…


Morten


the excuse was the scope. but a norwegian with a german scope they may wonder who you are exactly lol ... and raising some issues ...
28 June 2019, 06:32
medved
quote:
Originally posted by BaxterB:
quote:
Originally posted by Stonecreek:
TSA, like CBP, pays their employees poorly, their working conditions are below average, their supervisors are often incompetent and overbearing, and they are largely recruited from the ranks of the otherwise unemployable. And, there are never enough of them on duty to handle the volume in a timely manner. Despite this, there are a number of excellent people working for TSA who have to work alongside the less-than-excellent, but who are tarred by the reputations of their co-workers.

The traveling public should demand that both TSA and CPB upgrade their workforce by paying competitive salaries, increasing the number of employees to match the volume of traffic they must deal with, and investing in effective training programs so that they have a better handle on what they're supposed to be doing and understand the concept of customer service. We're already paying for this through the various taxes and fees associated with air travel; we're just not getting what we pay for and much of the money is being siphoned off into other uses.


Too many people at TSA simply see the job as easy money. Giving them more of it won’t change them, and the system has no way separating the wheat from the chaff.

I went through Dulles once with a bag that had plenty of gunpowder residue on it from shooting clays. The TSA agent got two, count them, two positives for explosives and while yapping to her coworker, told me “This thing always acting up.” And waved me through. Think about that shit.

Then again, when I took my rifle out to D’Arcy Echols’ place in February, they were very easy to deal with.


The inconsistency is the maddening part. It’s like dealing with a schizophrenic.


i had the same in toronto after a handgun competition. luckily no handguns with me ... this time.
28 June 2019, 18:22
Slider
Did the Guy ask The TSA Agent where you put in The Cartriges?
28 June 2019, 21:11
BaxterB
quote:
Originally posted by Slider:
Did the Guy ask The TSA Agent where you put in The Cartriges?



First time I ever flew with a gun it was a Browning Hi-Power. I went with the TSA lady to the back room, opened the case and stepped away. She looked at me and I said, “did you need to check if it is loaded?” She said, “I ain’t touching that thang!”

I closed it all up and that was that.
28 June 2019, 22:18
carpetman1
After 9-11 there have been bunches of security measures put in place which creates jobs, but does it really help security? I have seen it numerous times that an elderly in a wheel chair is gone over with a fine tooth comb so to speak. The Air Force base here now checks every ID (this creates traffic jams.) There are barricades and obstacles where you have to zig zag to enter or exit the base. Looks good but does it really help? If a terrorist wants on base, drive up to gate with firearm ready and the gate guard has no chance--they're on. The base has miles of chain link fence. No problem pair of bolt cutters and in a few minutes you could bring a convoy on. With todays technology, how much problem would a terrorist have making a fake ID that looks real enough to get them on. Don't know the answer to what is really needed, but to me, what they have now is eye wash.