Two rifles of the same caliber

23 August 2019, 16:32

I have been thinking of taking 2 .375 H&H rifles with me to Africa. One with a scope and one with a red-dot sight.

Outfitters in Zim I know well...say it is no problem there.

Why do we hear that we are not allowed to do this? Is it SA that is the problem?

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23 August 2019, 17:06

Saeed

Yes.

I have been taking two identical rifles to both Zimbabwe and Tanzania for many years.

No problems at all.

South Africa seems to have a knack of annoying hunters.

23 August 2019, 17:22

WR500

Yes
My understanding is that no one person can bring in 2guns of the same caliber.
Stupid rule but it is what it is!

23 August 2019, 17:24

ledvm

My question is: who’s rule is it? Zimbabwe outfitters say it is not a problem in Zimbabwe. Is it RSA that is the problem?

23 August 2019, 17:38

WR500

Yes it’s South Africa’s policy. If you are only transiting Jberg then you should be ok.
If overnighting and doing the SAPS 520 you will be screwed!

23 August 2019, 21:04

MARK H. YOUNG

Lane,

You just need a letter from the safari operator explaining why you need the other rifle. Gracy Travel or TWG can assist. Without the letter you will be in hot water if you pick up your guns and kit in JNB.

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25 August 2019, 05:44

ledvm

I talked to Debbie Gracy about it and she was not certain about the answer and would not tell me yes or no with out researching.

26 August 2019, 19:16

MARK H. YOUNG

Lane,

All I can tell you is it has worked before and Christy who handles all gun related issues with Gracy is who I got the information from.

Mark

26 August 2019, 20:48

MARK H. YOUNG

Lee,

I'm trying to get some current clarification on this myself. I will get back.

Mark

26 August 2019, 22:30

K Evans

Lane:
It can be done but I believe the temporary permit has to come fom the Central Registry in Pretoria, not from the SAPS office at JNB.

From SAPS:

An application for more than one firearm of the same calibre

The Registrar may in good cause shown, issue a permit in respect of more than one firearm per calibre to a person who will be using the firearms for the under mentioned purpose:

to a foreign visitor for the purpose of hunting

to a foreign visitor to display the firearm and ammunition at a trade show or collectors show or to display firearms or ammunition at a sport of hunting trade show.

To a foreign visitor to participate in a competitive sport shooting event organised by recognised business, hunting, sport-shooting or collectors organisation.

27 August 2019, 06:41

ledvm

Thanks for that Karl.

All I want to do is get to Zimbabwe with my 2 .375 H&H rifles. One set up with lighted reticle scope and one set up with a Trijicon RM06 red-dot sight for close and follow-up work.

Apparently it is no problem in Zimbabwe and if checked through...shouldn’t pose a problem.

That said...Debbie has gotten me liking this overnighting in Joberg at City Lodge and leaving fresh to Vic Falls the following morning. This seems a lot of hassle just to spend 12 hours in Joberg. Christy at Gracy Travel is researching for me and will report.

08 September 2019, 14:24

Gundog 64

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:

That said...Debbie has gotten me liking this overnighting in Joberg at City Lodge and leaving fresh to Vic Falls the following morning. This seems a lot of hassle just to spend 12 hours in Joberg. Christy at Gracy Travel is researching for me and will report.

Lane,
My wife and I do this each time we transit Johannesburg, not because we want to, it's really our only option. The City Lodge is a nice hotel with a good restaurant, and breakfast is included in the cost of the room. If you want something nicer the Intercontinental is right there at the airport and they have an outstanding restaurant. If you do this get the Meet and Greet service, they get you through the customs line quickly, your guns are a breeze and then they escort you to your room. The next morning Bruce will walk you right back through and get you checked in. The chance for a shower and a good nights sleep after a long flight is nice, and you never really leave the airport. And don't worry about being kept awake all night my the sounds of aircraft, the airport is basically dead after about 8 P.M.

08 September 2019, 18:55

shotgun46

Use detachable scopes then you only need one rifle

quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:
Thanks for that Karl.

All I want to do is get to Zimbabwe with my 2 .375 H&H rifles. One set up with lighted reticle scope and one set up with a Trijicon RM06 red-dot sight for close and follow-up work.

Apparently it is no problem in Zimbabwe and if checked through...shouldn’t pose a problem.

That said...Debbie has gotten me liking this overnighting in Joberg at City Lodge and leaving fresh to Vic Falls the following morning. This seems a lot of hassle just to spend 12 hours in Joberg. Christy at Gracy Travel is researching for me and will report.

09 September 2019, 23:58

MARK H. YOUNG

Lane,

I must eat crow. I got a little confused in my old age. It seems there is no practical way to take two rifles of the same caliber through RSA If you are gathering your guns and kit there unless you have a traveling companion with a 4457 indicating the 2nd rifle is theirs.

Mark

10 September 2019, 00:42

K Evans

quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Lane,

I must eat crow. I got a little confused in my old age. It seems there is no practical way to take two rifles of the same caliber through RSA If you are gathering your guns and kit there unless you have a traveling companion with a 4457 indicating the 2nd rifle is theirs.

Mark

No need to eat crow, there is a practical way to bring two of the same caliber...just have to get the permit thru the central registrar and not the SAPS office at point of entry. I copied and pasted the verbiage from SAPS in an earlier post. Takes a bit more time but can be done, Air 2000 (and other permitting services can handle).

12 September 2019, 05:30

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by K Evans:
quote:
Originally posted by MARK H. YOUNG:
Lane,

I must eat crow. I got a little confused in my old age. It seems there is no practical way to take two rifles of the same caliber through RSA If you are gathering your guns and kit there unless you have a traveling companion with a 4457 indicating the 2nd rifle is theirs.

Mark

No need to eat crow, there is a practical way to bring two of the same caliber...just have to get the permit thru the central registrar and not the SAPS office at point of entry. I copied and pasted the verbiage from SAPS in an earlier post. Takes a bit more time but can be done, Air 2000 (and other permitting services can handle).

Hi Karl,
The word from Gracy Travel is that this information is outdated and may not apply any longer.

I am just relaying what I was told.

Do you know anyone who has accomplished this in the last year?

Further...would it even apply to someone in transit? IE: not hunting in RSA...just overnighting?

12 September 2019, 16:27

ledvm

quote:
Originally posted by Gundog 64:
quote:
Originally posted by ledvm:

That said...Debbie has gotten me liking this overnighting in Joberg at City Lodge and leaving fresh to Vic Falls the following morning. This seems a lot of hassle just to spend 12 hours in Joberg. Christy at Gracy Travel is researching for me and will report.

Lane,
My wife and I do this each time we transit Johannesburg, not because we want to, it's really our only option. The City Lodge is a nice hotel with a good restaurant, and breakfast is included in the cost of the room. If you want something nicer the Intercontinental is right there at the airport and they have an outstanding restaurant. If you do this get the Meet and Greet service, they get you through the customs line quickly, your guns are a breeze and then they escort you to your room. The next morning Bruce will walk you right back through and get you checked in. The chance for a shower and a good nights sleep after a long flight is nice, and you never really leave the airport. And don't worry about being kept awake all night my the sounds of aircraft, the airport is basically dead after about 8 P.M.

Yes, we did it this way this last June when we went...very pleasant.

12 September 2019, 21:16

K Evans

Lane,
We are currently in Joburg, just flew in from Beira, Moz. Two other couples are catching flights later tonight and SAA Airlink checked their bags thru to DFW...NO SAPS. We are staying a bit longer so I had to do the SAPS thing. All of the rifle cases came to the police and they said they would have them placed in the correct flight, I specifically asked about that (but their security company had to go on the plane to find my and another guy’s rifles. Had ended up being cargo, or so they said. Good luck!

13 September 2019, 15:54

ledvm

Hi Karl,
This is what I was told by Gracy’s guy in RSA.

“It is currently not possible to get a temporary or in-transit firearm permit for 2xsame calibre at the central firearms register. We have asked for clarification for clients that are in-transit to other countries but still waiting on an answer. I was told to call again tomorrow and will let you know if there is any change.”

13 September 2019, 19:58

K Evans

Thanks Lane,
Who knows what the “current” policy really is. After all it is Africa. Good luck on your hunt.

20 September 2019, 07:55

ledvm

I have received confirmation that it is impossible for one person to take 2 rifles of the same caliber and clear them in RSA.