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02 February 2025, 22:40
Duane Wiebe (CG&R)
ACTION QUESTION
Hmmm... plenty of cnc machining being used in modern system 98 actions
02 February 2025, 23:48
SlamFire
Plenty of CNC machining being used in manufactured goods today, such as 1911's. The 1911 pistol is a design that required huge amounts of machining, which in the days of single stage machines, required a lot of space and man power. Now CNC machines chew out barrels in minutes, whereas I am sure the process time around WW2 was days.

This is amazing to see:

Cold Hammer Forged Barrel Production

https://youtu.be/R0RvgknllE4?si=kd17KEijaYMewmjc

So the point about CNC and M98 is?
03 February 2025, 01:34
Michael Robinson
Yes, indeed!

All modern British and European double rifle makers use CNC machines.

They have truly changed the firearms and custom, or bespoke, firearms manufacturing world.

The number of cold hammered barrels and other parts they can produce on such machinery to precise tolerances in very little time is amazing.


Mike

Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer.
04 February 2025, 04:59
devere
thank you to all who replied to my question. I've been somewhat of a student of action design (bolts) for many years, but do not have the knowledge that you all do, especially the builders. I can remember when there were no controlled round actions in the market like the Dakotas, Ruger Hawkeye, Montanas, Kimbers, etc and that design is superior in my mind. But it was O'Connor who influenced me most towards the actions I've used by far the most: the pre-64s. I'm well aware of those here who think they are vastly over-rated and I understand their weaknesses. But for me it has been little things that have caused my preference for them: the extraction cams were cut with a true helix which somewhat explains how smooth the uplift on the bolt is. I like the feed rails being machined into the bottom of the receiver vs. the bent portions of the magazine box. I also like the one piece holt handle, and obviously the safety and trigger. However, I did make one exception many years ago in building my wife a little .257 Roberts on an 09 Argentine action, so maybe I will not be completely shunned in your company !!!

But, I realize here on AR I am mostly in "mauser country." I guess I'll just think of my 70s as "poor man's mausers." thanks to all again for sharing your experiences. I've enjoyed and learned from you all.

Devere
04 February 2025, 12:14
K W Johnston
Devere , I'm gonna address your follow up comment above and not your original question.

There is no need to make apologies or justifications for preferring the pre-64 type Model 70. They're a good action and a great many top shelf custom rifles have been built on them over the decades. Just take time to browse through the Custom Gun section in old issues of Gun Digest and you'll see what I mean.

Unpopular opinion here: The Post 64' push feed model 70's, especially the ones with the anti-bind feature and 3 position safeties, are actually a nice action. They are shunned and underrated, but I like them. Enough that personally, I would choose one over a few of the other actions that have been mentioned.

The other actions brought up like Kimber, Dakota, Mannlicher, Springfield, Remington, Ruger, or CZ , or whatever else you like. Use em' if you got em' !

If the argument boils down to just the issue of cost, pick whatever is in your budget...

If the argument comes down to the single issue of Push feed vs Controlled feed, pick the one you want...

If the argument hinges just on what action needs less modifications to suit your needs, Look them over and pick one....

If you are a Machinist, a chemical engineer, a mechanical engineer, an architect, a welder, a plumber, a physician, or something else and you can not sleep until you have used your professional knowledge to decipher the action blueprints and declare a winner, well just take your time, look everything over, and pick you one.

The "Best" should be based on facts but just as often it becomes a very subjective thing. Pick what you like , be happy with it , and use it. Don't give any thought to other peoples opinions. It isn't there custom rifle!

Just look at the ugly trends in plastic & aluminum tactical type custom rifles on the cover of every gun magazine. To someone out there that's the BEST and they love it!

B