Cartridge traps, anyone...

29 December 2015, 09:04

Idaho Sharpshooter

m4220,

this one of yours is what I had in mind. Yours was available from NECG until earlier this year. The company stopped making them, and they have been replaced with one with a flip up end, instead of this really neat push button like yours. Sigh...

And, no, I am not planning on sticking it on my 425WR.

It is going on a 1909 Argentine chambered in 6,5x68S. Think 264 WM without the irritating belt.

thanks again, m4220.

Rich

29 December 2015, 10:15

m4220

Rich,
Good choice of calibre! I have about 15-20 boxes of RWS squirled away in my stash with thoughts of building a rifle in it to go along with my 8x68S. That Heel trap was installed in that Scherping rifle in 1925 when it was built & even is felt lined on the underside of the trap to keep the shells silent should they contact it.
m4220

29 December 2015, 16:59

max(hm2)

hi rich,

I put one on a 204 ruger single shot rifle I made for myself. usually don't need much more ammo when I take it for a walk for an afternoon for chucks. I got it from midway many years ago. if you find the gunsmithing book by tommy bish he has pretty detailed intructions on making one.

30 December 2015, 04:14

Atkinson

I have, but found them rather worthless, rather have a cartridge belt. IMO one can gimmick up a gun too much, but that's just me! others like that kind of stuff.

30 December 2015, 08:59

Idaho Sharpshooter

My personal opinion, which is just and only that; is that the traps are a fantastic custom touch for a stock with a European flavor to it like m4220's.

There are always four extra rounds which can be accessed in about ten seconds or less. If this were a Rockchuck rifle, I bring a hundred rounds, in a hard box like a CaseGard 100.

In this case, if I need more than nine rounds on a hunt, I need to quit.

Belts are a PITA!

30 December 2015, 17:45

Big Wonderful Wyoming

I don't like cartridge traps, I used to think they were cool but now I agree with Atkinson. Pain in the ass.

Rich get a video and time yourself charging extra rounds out of a cartridge trap.

The rules are:

1. Your not allowed to cuss

2. Your not allowed to drop rounds

3. You have to wear gloves

I much prefer either cartridge loops on a neoprene gun stock sock or better yet a magazine rifle with a detachable magazine like the AICS or my favorite a Sauer 202.

30 December 2015, 19:59

m4220

They are not designed to be speed loaders! They are designed to carry a few extra rounds to replentish the magazine if needed without having to carry them rattling around in your pocket & without having to wear them on your belt where they scratch up your rifle stock while hiking with your rifle slung on your shoulder. Just another classy touch on a Fine Rifle!

m4220

31 December 2015, 18:31

Mike Scott

A single shot with a trap holding a a couple or three extra rounds would do for any of the hunting that I have done recently. A few more buried in a backpack if you really need more. This is for "day" hunts within walking distance of the camp or car. Since I don't have a trap, I make do with a silicon holder that slips over the barrel and forend. There are some good wrist strap ammo holders as well. I don't wear a belt so those tyoe carriers don't work very well.

01 January 2016, 00:33

Idaho Sharpshooter

imho, the cartridge trap is a great custom touch on a bespoke rifle. In the same vein as a metal grip cap, or a QD set of rings.

If you ever spent an extra $400+ on a better figured walnut blank, you know what I am talking about.

01 January 2016, 02:49

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
imho, the cartridge trap is a great custom touch on a bespoke rifle. In the same vein as a metal grip cap, or a QD set of rings.

If you ever spent an extra $400+ on a better figured walnut blank, you know what I am talking about.

Well not really. You are adding a useless trinket and extra weight. Not my idea of something you are going to use. But if by bespoke you mean a piece of furniture then by all means knock yourself out.

01 January 2016, 05:41

TC1

I had one (Recknagel checkered model) added to my Mini Mauser custom. I like it.

Terry

01 January 2016, 08:28

m4220

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
imho, the cartridge trap is a great custom touch on a bespoke rifle. In the same vein as a metal grip cap, or a QD set of rings.

If you ever spent an extra $400+ on a better figured walnut blank, you know what I am talking about.

Well not really. You are adding a useless trinket and extra weight. Not my idea of something you are going to use. But if by bespoke you mean a piece of furniture then by all means knock yourself out.

Chuck, I Really hope you don't have the same feelings about your Women! Life is to short to Hunt with an ugly gun! We all have a stainless with a Tupperware stock for throwing in the back of the jeep for the days of hunting that muddy HellHole!!

m4220

01 January 2016, 09:32

Idaho Sharpshooter

Gosh Chuck,

you sound like the kind of guy that shoots a Remington with a camo-painted synthetic stock and calls it "custom", eh!

Seriously, many of us south of the border here are taken with the idea of having something built to our specifications, a "bespoke" rifle. If you have a dictionary, look the word up. One meaning in my old 1900's era Websters says it means to speak with an artisan about the particulars of a built to spec item.

There is a tremendous amount of satisfaction in deciding a purpose for a rifle, choosing a caliber; then the joy of picking out the components. Starting with a Mauser 98 or OM 70 action; figuring out the desired weight, ordering a barrel with the appropriate contour, perhaps a milled integral quarter or full length rib, then deciding on whether or not to have a favored gunsmith convert to single or double square bridge, figuring out the type of sights, generally express rear, barrel band sling swivel, barrel band front sight, and a few other touches like steel grip cap, perhaps even a trap for a changeable front sight blade for dim light conditions, the cartridge trap, one or two crossbolts, internal or not, pad color and thickness, matching or contrasting fore end wood.

There are hours and hours of enjoyment doing all of this, and then, if you live close to a wood dealer like I do, making a drive over to look thru forty or fifty blanks for just the right grain flow and mineral streaking for the stock. A little good natured haggling over cost, and getting the blank pantagraphed so you can see what the basic profile is going to show for grain.

Talking with your stocker about checkering, hand rubbed oil finish, those things that make it uniquely mine. The rifles people have built, especially many of them shown here are works of art in a manner.

None of mine have that assembly line, cookie cutter appearance. I like that...

take care,

Rich

01 January 2016, 10:23

montea6b

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
You are adding a useless trinket and extra weight...

Useless trinket? I don't have one on any of my rifles, but I can certainly see the functional appeal in being able to keep cartridges with the rifle when they are not in the magazine. A more integrated and custom method of doing so that the elastic sleeve I have slipped over the butt for this purpose in the past.

Extra weight? Well, there is some offset from the wood that is bored out... How much extra weight is there really, and is it truly enough to be concerned with?

Like I said, I don't have one but I can see how they could be useful.

01 January 2016, 11:18

Idaho Sharpshooter

sort of like engraving...

01 January 2016, 18:31

theback40

Cartridge trap? sure, it would help balance the rail and flashlight on the barrel for that real custom touch!

Then again, I'm not a fan of engraving or carved stocks either. I do my own stockwork, so get just what I want all way round.

01 January 2016, 18:49

montea6b

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
sort of like engraving...

Actually, not like engraving at all: Engraving serves no purpose whatsoever, it is pure cosmetic embellishment. A cartridge trap has a function.

01 January 2016, 19:08

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by m4220:
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
imho, the cartridge trap is a great custom touch on a bespoke rifle. In the same vein as a metal grip cap, or a QD set of rings.

If you ever spent an extra $400+ on a better figured walnut blank, you know what I am talking about.

Well not really. You are adding a useless trinket and extra weight. Not my idea of something you are going to use. But if by bespoke you mean a piece of furniture then by all means knock yourself out.

Chuck, I Really hope you don't have the same feelings about your Women! Life is to short to Hunt with an ugly gun! We all have a stainless with a Tupperware stock for throwing in the back of the jeep for the days of hunting that muddy HellHole!!
m4220

And they are ugly!

01 January 2016, 19:09

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by montea6b:
quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
sort of like engraving...

Actually, not like engraving at all: Engraving serves no purpose whatsoever, it is pure cosmetic embellishment. A cartridge trap has a function.

Like putting a good rifle out of balance. What a great idea.

01 January 2016, 19:14

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Gosh Chuck,

you sound like the kind of guy that shoots a Remington with a camo-painted synthetic stock and calls it "custom", eh!

Seriously, many of us south of the border here are taken with the idea of having something built to our specifications, a "bespoke" rifle. If you have a dictionary, look the word up. One meaning in my old 1900's era Websters says it means to speak with an artisan about the particulars of a built to spec item.

There is a tremendous amount of satisfaction in deciding a purpose for a rifle, choosing a caliber; then the joy of picking out the components. Starting with a Mauser 98 or OM 70 action; figuring out the desired weight, ordering a barrel with the appropriate contour, perhaps a milled integral quarter or full length rib, then deciding on whether or not to have a favored gunsmith convert to single or double square bridge, figuring out the type of sights, generally express rear, barrel band sling swivel, barrel band front sight, and a few other touches like steel grip cap, perhaps even a trap for a changeable front sight blade for dim light conditions, the cartridge trap, one or two crossbolts, internal or not, pad color and thickness, matching or contrasting fore end wood.

There are hours and hours of enjoyment doing all of this, and then, if you live close to a wood dealer like I do, making a drive over to look thru forty or fifty blanks for just the right grain flow and mineral streaking for the stock. A little good natured haggling over cost, and getting the blank pantagraphed so you can see what the basic profile is going to show for grain.

Talking with your stocker about checkering, hand rubbed oil finish, those things that make it uniquely mine. The rifles people have built, especially many of them shown here are works of art in a manner.

None of mine have that assembly line, cookie cutter appearance. I like that...

take care,

Rich

Aren't we talking about a cartridge trap? I'm not sure why you are going on about wood, barrel bands, square bridges (what are they for exactly), barrel band (useless), quarter ribs, etc.

I think a cartridge trap is ugly, adds carrying weight, and detracts from the above.

I'm not sure what your "south of the border" comments mean and if you want to look different get a tattoo.

01 January 2016, 20:14

m4220

Both the Traps pictured were installed by Master Hofbuchsenmachers (Sodia & Scherping) when these rifles were built, when your level of Taste & Craftsmanship meets theirs maybe I will start collecting rifles with YOUR name on them!
m4220

01 January 2016, 20:53

montea6b

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
...barrel band (useless)...

They come in sorta handy if you want to want to carry your rifle lower by attaching the front sling forward of the end of the stock. But then I guess you might consider a sling useless, ugly extra weight too?

01 January 2016, 21:13

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by montea6b:
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Nelson:
...barrel band (useless)...

They come in sorta handy if you want to want to carry your rifle lower by attaching the front sling forward of the end of the stock. But then I guess you might consider a sling useless, ugly extra weight too?

A sling does in part become useless when attached to the barrel.

01 January 2016, 21:36

montea6b

Please explain.

01 January 2016, 22:19

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by montea6b:
Please explain.

Half of the use of a sling is as a shooting aid. A barrel band makes that about useless.

01 January 2016, 22:44

theback40

How about those German "tree hooks" where you pull them out of the side of the fore-end and stick them into a tree for support.
Classy or gimmick? Don't see them added to custom rifles any more.

01 January 2016, 22:56

m4220

Those were usually ordered by a customer with a disability & that were unable to grasp the forend of their rifle. So to them they were considered
golden!

m4220

01 January 2016, 23:02

TC1

The beauty of a custom rifle is that you can have built anyway you like.

The beauty of these forums is that you criticize the way others had their rifles built

It's all good.

Happy new year to all.
Terry

01 January 2016, 23:09

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by TC1:
The beauty of a custom rifle is that you can have built anyway you like.

The beauty of these forums is that you criticize the way others had their rifles built

It's all good.

Happy new year to all.
Terry

Yup, and it's obvious that not all rifles are used the same either.

02 January 2016, 01:02

Idaho Sharpshooter

All the things I mentioned are about making a rifle that reflects the things you like in a built for you rifle.

Doesn't appear that you are into esthetics...

02 January 2016, 01:48

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
All the things I mentioned are about making a rifle that reflects the things you like in a built for you rifle.

Doesn't appear that you are into esthetics...

Some people like gawdy. I don't.

02 January 2016, 02:15

montea6b

quote:
Originally posted by TC1:
The beauty of a custom rifle is that you can have built anyway you like.

The beauty of these forums is that you criticize the way others had their rifles built

It's all good.

Happy new year to all.
Terry

Constructive criticism and differences of opinion are what make this forum interesting. Personal preferences and opinions expressed as absolute truths don't help anything...

02 January 2016, 02:36

Idaho Sharpshooter

whatever...

02 January 2016, 02:49

Chuck Nelson

quote:
Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
whatever...

That is exactly what I think.

02 January 2016, 02:49

TC1

quote:
Originally posted by montea6b:
quote:
Originally posted by TC1:
The beauty of a custom rifle is that you can have built anyway you like.

The beauty of these forums is that you criticize the way others had their rifles built

It's all good.

Happy new year to all.
Terry

Constructive criticism and differences of opinion are what make this forum interesting. Personal preferences and opinions expressed as absolute truths don't help anything...

My bad. I thought we were building this rifle for Chuck.