13 January 2023, 21:05
J WisnerMauser barreled action in 35 Whelen
I recently finished up a barreled action for a customer.
He supplied all the parts, except for my M70 type safety, and the front sight bead
The right hand side of the barreled action, a Douglas # 3 contour barrel was used, trimmed to 22 inch length
A 1909 Arg trigger guard, a Recknagel trigger and a McLaughlin peep, one of my M70 type safeties
Top left side of the action, showing the redone bolt stop pad, the new M70 type safety
Top view of the action, showing the redone bolt stop pad, the new M70 type safety, and part of the cocking piece peep sight
Rear view of the McLaughlin cocking piece sight
View of the NECG band ramp and perhaps the last Green Fiber front sight in the USA
Bottom view showing the reworked 1909 Arg trigger guard, a new straddle floor plate and latch, reshaped bow
A two panel checkered bolt handle rounds out the work
It was a pleasure to work with this customer, as he had thought out all of what he wanted, and supplied all most all of the parts.
And the Whelen has a fond place in my memories, as I packed a Mauser rifle in 35 Whelen from 1978 to 1993
Enjoy.
James Wisner
13 January 2023, 22:20
458WinThat has all the details for a mighty fine rifle. Who do you plan on doing the stock ?
14 January 2023, 06:19
dpcdVery nice! I like the cocking piece peep. It does need a barrel band front swivel base.
14 January 2023, 07:04
J WisnerPhil.
The customer will be making the stock from what I understand
Have you seen the recent YouTube video where I make a Quarter Rib, you will get good laugh as the rifle getting the 1/4 rib belongs to our old friend Paul Broyles
Tom
This is the way the customer wanted it and it came out nicely
James Wisner
14 January 2023, 09:18
458Winquote:
Originally posted by J Wisner:
Phil.
The customer will be making the stock from what I understand
Have you seen the recent YouTube video where I make a Quarter Rib, you will get good laugh as the rifle getting the 1/4 rib belongs to our old friend Paul Broyles
Tom
This is the way the customer wanted it and it came out nicely
James Wisner
I hadn’t seen it, nor heard from Paul in eons . But thanks
14 January 2023, 17:37
robert lernerJim. Thank you again for agreeing to perform this job for me , and this post.a little history for the viewers, I purchased the almost completed action from Clayton Nelson while taking a class at Trinidad state,( Clayton was forthcoming that he didn’t perform the action work) I sent the bolt & action to pac met for heat treatment right before they stopped that work. John McLaughlin told me this sight was the first one he offered for sale and if you’re familiar with them, they’re beautiful.straightforward order from Douglas on the barrel, which makes me ask why are so many barrelmakers backlogged a year ( and we’re waiting on them, myself included) while Douglas has delivered mine in maybe a month ? The rest of the excellent work is all Jim. He was likewise great to work with. Thank you again Jim
14 January 2023, 17:42
robert lernerOne small forgotten thing , on the ACGG you tube site is a post ofJim installing his safety on this BA.
14 January 2023, 19:40
dpcdI'll tell you why Douglas can deliver barrels way faster than anyone else, and a history lesson for all you new guys. Douglas was the first custom barrel maker in the US, after WW2. The button rifling method was developed by Remington, and Douglas uses that method, although they did cut rifle thousands of muzzle loading barrels until about 30 years ago. I saw the room with about 20 Pratt and Whitney machines in it. Douglas developed a method of double reaming the drilled bores, and uses gear driven rifling buttons. Other makers use helical driven buttons; those don't work. And knows how to stress relieve before, and after, rifling. Many other makers do not know how, and do not do this, properly. Any time you get a barrel that shoots one hole, then 3 outside of that, it wasn't properly stress relieved.
How can they respond so quickly? They keep 1000 rifled blanks in stock, and make more daily. When an order comes in, they CNC profile it on a CNC lathe about as big as a small house. They air gauge each barrel (I have done it there), and visually inspect each barrel.
Long story short, they do it by institutional knowledge, experience, and efficiency of scale. I refuse to use any other maker, and really, none of them offer anything new, or better, than Douglas. Guys ask me to fit barrel brand X they just bought; I tell them, no. Fit it yourself.
Guys just like new names, but in this case, they are wasting time and money; and we need to support an old established firm. Not the new comers to the market. And I can't understand why anyone would wait a year for something they can get in a month, and it will be a better, or certainly as good, a product. Only for calibers which Douglas does not make and that is not any I know of.
Add to that, they are the nicest and easiest to deal with; they have my custom patterns and make barrels for those too. No other maker is as responsive, and yes, I have used them all in the past, with stories for each that you don't want to hear.
14 January 2023, 21:20
z1rVery nice Jim. Very nice.
14 January 2023, 22:56
Jim KobeDid you have to anneal the cocking piece to mill the dovetail?
15 January 2023, 00:54
J Wisnerquote:
Did you have to anneal the cocking piece to mill the dovetail?
Jim.
No I did not have to anneal, as I use so many Carbide cutters anymore.
J Wisner
15 January 2023, 01:44
butchlambertquote:
Originally posted by dpcd:
I'll tell you why Douglas can deliver barrels way faster than anyone else, and a history lesson for all you new guys. Douglas was the first custom barrel maker in the US, after WW2. The button rifling method was developed by Remington, and Douglas uses that method, although they did cut rifle thousands of muzzle loading barrels until about 30 years ago. I saw the room with about 20 Pratt and Whitney machines in it. Douglas developed a method of double reaming the drilled bores, and uses gear driven rifling buttons. Other makers use helical driven buttons; those don't work. And knows how to stress relieve before, and after, rifling. Many other makers do not know how, and do not do this, properly. Any time you get a barrel that shoots one hole, then 3 outside of that, it wasn't properly stress relieved.
How can they respond so quickly? They keep 1000 rifled blanks in stock, and make more daily. When an order comes in, they CNC profile it on a CNC lathe about as big as a small house. They air gauge each barrel (I have done it there), and visually inspect each barrel.
Long story short, they do it by institutional knowledge, experience, and efficiency of scale. I refuse to use any other maker, and really, none of them offer anything new, or better, than Douglas. Guys ask me to fit barrel brand X they just bought; I tell them, no. Fit it yourself.
Guys just like new names, but in this case, they are wasting time and money; and we need to support an old established firm. Not the new comers to the market. And I can't understand why anyone would wait a year for something they can get in a month, and it will be a better, or certainly as good, a product. Only for calibers which Douglas does not make and that is not any I know of.
Add to that, they are the nicest and easiest to deal with; they have my custom patterns and make barrels for those too. No other maker is as responsive, and yes, I have used them all in the past, with stories for each that you don't want to hear.
Tom, I sure miss Stan.
