I just hate it when a beautiful rifle is chambered for a stupid caliber. I may go to a bankruptcy auction today and there is a beautiful Marcel Thys made rifle, octagonal barrel, on a Brevex action, in 460 Weatherby Magnum. It will probably go for a couple thousand, but jeez, if only it were in 416 Rigby or 505 Gibb.

to the man who had it built, it was the finest cartridge extant...

That said, it is only a rebarrel away from being your dream.

Stupid cartridges, you mean like the .338-06 or the various Ruger make believe cartridges that have no use other than to sell guns and ammo?

Stupid to me because I think it was designed for one reason only, to be the most powerful cartridge in a bolt action rifle, and for no other reason. I know the arguments that one could always handload with reduced bullet velocity, but then why use a superb action capable of handling large cases like the 505 Gibb if it's only to shoot the equivalent of a 458 WinMag or a 458 Lott, with a reduced number of cartridges in the magazine to boot?

You know, I really think that people are smarter and wiser now, than they were 30 years ago. I can remember reading the gun magazines about the latest caliber and thinking that I really NEEDED that. And, yes, the 460 Weatherby was one of them, as was the 338 etc. I did actually buy a 338 (Sako), hated it, and sold it.Now that I have more money I seem to be more considered in what I buy. Good post Wink!
(Of course why in heaven's name would one want an octagonal barrel?!!!)
Peter.

Wish I could be there:
http://www.passionaland.com/Ca...n_id,auction_details

So Forrest, you can see that it was mounted with what must be the most inappropriate scope for that rifle that one could imagine. In the end I decided that I have enough rifles and didn't go to the auction, which must be just about to finish as I write this. I'll ask a friend if this was sold and for how much.

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Originally posted by dogcat:
Stupid cartridges, you mean like the .338-06 or the various Ruger make believe cartridges that have no use other than to sell guns and ammo?

You say that like its a bad thing?


Wink, buy it and have it rebored & chambered to the Gibbs. Just a thought.

I wish you all the best. I like the rifle!

Terry

No flies on the .460 Weatherby Mag.

Essentially the same ballistics as the later born .450 Rigby. Or the .450 Dakota.

IMHO, those are three of the best .45s in the DGR world.

IMO,there is nothing more beautiful than a rifle built for you.Remember you are going to pay alot of money for a rifle that was built for someone else.IMO,the building process is all the fun and the longer it takes the nicer it will turn out.This is because you spend alot of time thinking about everything that is done to the rifle.I just received a photo of the rifle Ralph Martini is building for me with the finish on the wood and I was blown away with the outcome-a extraordinary hand rubbed oil finish on a wonderfully shaped stock.Marty Rabeno has started engraving the trigger guard and floorplate and we think it is going to really impress at the DSC convention.

Download the .460 to reasonable velocities and it really doesn't make for a bad cartridge. I rue passing up a custom .460 Butch Searcy had and offered me for a song. I couldn't get over the cartridge and missed out on a nice rifle. Oh well, I was younger then and not as wise...

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Stupid cartridges, you mean like the .338-06

What are you nuts????

The ONE wildcat I own is a 338/06...its a step up from the 06, while capable of anything the 338 Win Mag will do and with less fuss...

wouldn't trade it for anything else...and wouldn't be without one..

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
That said, it is only a rebarrel away from being your dream.

Or a re-bore away from being a really big dream....

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shootaway: IMO,there is nothing more beautiful than a rifle built for you. Remember you are going to pay alot of money for a rifle that was built for someone else.

The pictures of this rifle look pretty good to me. Marcel Thys was one of Europe's finest custom gun makers. I suspect this very desirable rifle went for a small fraction of its replacement cost.
Wink, do you know the final price?

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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shootaway: IMO,there is nothing more beautiful than a rifle built for you. Remember you are going to pay alot of money for a rifle that was built for someone else.

The pictures of this rifle look pretty good to me. Marcel Thys was one of Europe's finest custom gun makers. I suspect this very desirable rifle went for a small fraction of its replacement cost.
Wink, do you know the final price?

Remember,when you build one from scratch,YOU are the chief architect and there is nothing more satisfying,IMO.I was just blown away with what my rifle is looking like lately.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just received a photo of the rifle Ralph Martini is building for me with the finish on the wood and I was blown away with the outcome-a extraordinary hand rubbed oil finish on a wonderfully shaped stock.Marty Rabeno has started engraving the trigger guard and floorplate and we think it is going to really impress at the DSC convention.

Post some pics! My 404 will be at Ralf's booth @DSC show as well.

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Originally posted by jjs:

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just received a photo of the rifle Ralph Martini is building for me with the finish on the wood and I was blown away with the outcome-a extraordinary hand rubbed oil finish on a wonderfully shaped stock.Marty Rabeno has started engraving the trigger guard and floorplate and we think it is going to really impress at the DSC convention.

Post some pics! My 404 will be at Ralf's booth @DSC show as well.

I will be getting some top quality pics soon and will post them as soon as I can.The ones I just received are a little blury because of camera issues.The next batch will have the engraving and the refined shape of the stock-everything except the blueing.

Honestly,
I hate it when they chamber a beautiful custom in 223 or 308.
Its like there is no soul to the gun, no imagination.

Cheers, John

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Originally posted by Phatman:
Honestly,
I hate it when they chamber a beautiful custom in 223 or 308.
Its like there is no soul to the gun, no imagination.

Cheers, John

Maybe not but if the owner uses one of those cartridges extensively then why not build his custom around that cartridge? Seems silly to build a custom in some obscure cartridge that he will get very little use out of. For the record, I like obscure cartridges but I also shoot both the .223 and .308 a lot becuase of many reasons. First, they work, Second, good factory ammo is readily available for little money. A nice thing when you don't have the time or inclination to reload and just want to shoot.

What bugs me much more is useless accoutrements that dont add a bit of functionality.

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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shootaway: IMO,there is nothing more beautiful than a rifle built for you. Remember you are going to pay alot of money for a rifle that was built for someone else.

The pictures of this rifle look pretty good to me. Marcel Thys was one of Europe's finest custom gun makers. I suspect this very desirable rifle went for a small fraction of its replacement cost.
Wink, do you know the final price?

I'm afraid I don't know if it sold or for how much. I'll try to find out.

Maybe some of you can educate me. What's so bad about the 460 cartridge?

Everyone I know seems to want more velocity than the 458WM so I thought that the 460's increased velocity was A Good Thing. No?
Regards, Joe

J.D. there is nothing wrong with the .460 Weatherby, it is just not "romantic". The beauty of building a custom rifle is you can have anything YOU want, just the way YOU want it.

any cartridge can be stupid - just load it with dum dum bullets

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Originally posted by butchloc:
any cartridge can be stupid - just load it with dum dum bullets

Well, in this case stupid does hurt!

Roy Weatherby was obviously an excellent salesman, as he sold this country on his ideas about hyper velocity, about white line spacers for gunstocks, about his gun stock designs, etc. Fortunately, we have now moved past those "old fashioned," (and "stupid," as you call one of his calibers, which applies to all of his ideas, in my opinion), ideas of his, and now consider white line spacers as ugly, hyper velocity as unnecessary, etc. His ideas did not stand the test of time, and we are all better off because of it!!

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Originally posted by doubleriflejack:
Roy Weatherby was obviously an excellent salesman, as he sold this country on his ideas about hyper velocity, about white line spacers for gunstocks, about his gun stock designs, etc. Fortunately, we have now moved past those "old fashioned," (and "stupid," as you call one of his calibers, which applies to all of his ideas, in my opinion), ideas of his, and now consider white line spacers as ugly, hyper velocity as unnecessary, etc. His ideas did not stand the test of time, and we are all better off because of it!!

One man's opinion.....

I, for one, don't like white-line spacers or contrasting inlays or California rollover cheekpieces, but reverse-slope Monte Carlo combs DO tame recoil nicely and hyper-velocity cartridges hold most of the long-range records on both paper targets AND big game.
Regards, Joe

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Originally posted by doubleriflejack:
... His ideas did not stand the test of time, and we are all better off because of it!!

The iconic .300Weatherby aint dead yet!
D.Echols will still gladly build one, and Dave Miller does very good business building accurate .300Weatherbys.
Ask Lex Webernick[Rifles Inc.] how many lightweight .300weatherbys he builds.
Even the premium Euro makers gladly offer .300weatherby in their magnum mausers.

I don't think all the Weatherby calibers were a bad idea, just the 460 Weatherby (and maybe the 416 too). I can even see myself buying a rifle in .257 Wby or .300 Wby.

Wink, I challenge you to compare the 378 to the 460 and then see which one you think is 'stupider' against your shoulder! I assure you, it'll only take one shot.....

Actually I kinda like some of the Weatherbys but not the excessive freebore of most of their chambers. The 340 and early 375 Weatherbys are among the very finest US cartridges available, in fact the 340 was perhaps Bob Hagel's favorite mountain rifle cartridge of all! The 220 Rocket with heavy bullets is an absolutely SPLENDID long-range varmint cartridge and the 7mm Wea is a close cousin to the long-proven 7mm Rem Mag.

And the Wea 300 is perhaps the best of them all in some ways. It and its many variants have long been 'THE' long-range champions of both the target range and the hunting field.

The Weatherbys were an outgrowth of the PMVF (Powell-Miller Venturified Freebore) series of cartridges and, as a result of Weatherby's salesmanship, they skyrocketed to popularity. IMO the venturi-shaped shoulders and the freebore were both blind alleys offering no real improvement, but they caught the fancy of the gun-buying public and all of a sudden Weatherby was in business!
Regards, Joe

You can buy a new rifle for the cost of a few boxes of .460 Weatherby. If the rifle in question doesn't weigh at least 12 pounds, be prepared for an unpleasant experience upon firing.

I would also think that .460 ammo should be easier to find than .505 Gibbs.

Just a word of caution. The Brevex, unless modified will not allow single loading.

If tried, a hopeless jam will result, requiring a ram rod to free things up.

The 460 is a great ctg! Wrap some Scotchbrite around the ctg and use it to scrub the bore of a 600 Overkill!

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Originally posted by Duane Wiebe:
Just a word of caution. The Brevex, unless modified will not allow single loading.

If tried, a hopeless jam will result, requiring a ram rod to free things up.

I knew there was a reason I decided to not bid on this rifle, I just couldn't remember what it was.

Why???



Because I want one.

I also want a 376 Steyr if I cannot have that one.

Nothing wrong with the 460 WBY cartridge.

Brass is easy to get and not too expensive.

Just load it with 500 gr bullets at 2150 to 2200fps and go hunt.

For deer and pigs load a good 350gr bullet from 2000 to 2300fps.

However I would agree with Wink, it is not considered an Old Classic Calibre.

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Originally posted by Wink:
I just hate it when a beautiful rifle is chambered for a stupid caliber. I may go to a bankruptcy auction today and there is a beautiful Marcel Thys made rifle, octagonal barrel, on a Brevex action, in 460 Weatherby Magnum. It will probably go for a couple thousand, but jeez, if only it were in 416 Rigby or 505 Gibb.

Maybe we see a tendency to make dubious decisions.

Well,

I for one would love a 460 Weatherby.

As you said you can down load it to whatever you want (within reason).

But

There are other things on my list first.

Why have a 460 and download it?

Might as well set back + rechamer to WM or the Lott (if possible) or re-barrel. Less hastle with brass too.