Mauser bottom metal sources?

Matt
FISH!!

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09 February 2018, 23:05

ismith

I settled on a steel Parker-Hale for my 411 Ryan. It should give me 5+1 capacity for my rifle without using a drop magazine. I will probably be looking at getting M1917 Enfield and Mauser 98 drop magazines in the near future. Haven't decided on what they will be chambered in yet.

10 February 2018, 07:16

Rockdoc

+1 on Duane’s bottom metal and mag boxes.

10 February 2018, 20:30

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

I don't know, Lindy, but my experience shows that time and effort for such a complete remodel...might as well just buy the whole brand new unit

11 February 2018, 01:12

butchlambert

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I would wholeheartedly agree, except when a person has more time than money.

Surely you have a skill that will allow you to make the funds to pay for a quality part.

11 February 2018, 03:00

TC1

I've used a variety over the years and had good results. My last one was from Duane and really like the shape of the trigger guard on his. IMO, none of the ones worth having are cheap but the quality is appreciated long after the price paid is forgotten. IMO, cry once and get it over with.

Edited: damn spell check.

15 February 2018, 04:19

montea6b

Nice work. Not much left that's military except the actual magazine!

Which makes me wonder, has anybody seriously considered or actually done a Mauser TG and floorplate in the manner of an Enfield, i.e. with a separate magazine box? I'm not normally a fan of shortcuts for manufacturability, but if I was hired by a factory to make these that's one thing I would take a good hard look at. Seems like a ton of waste milling these out of a solid block.

01 March 2018, 23:25

Atkinson

Don't forger that "round bottom" Jerry Fisher bottom metal, I guess he still produces it..it sure was clean and beautiful..

02 March 2018, 01:34

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

I had tried to sell the idea of a separate box, but got nowhere..no interest in such a product that I came up with.

Yes, there could be a dollar saving

05 March 2018, 20:25

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

$200.00 "saving" is overly optimistic. If you compare prices, a one piece unit is only about $90.00 less then the frame (as in M-70) Model...Then..you have to make a box.

05 March 2018, 22:18

Jim Kobe

quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
$200.00 "saving" is overly optimistic. If you compare prices, a one piece unit is only about $90.00 less then the frame (as in M-70) Model...Then..you have to make a box.

Don't feed the trolls, they have all the answers

06 March 2018, 00:14

butchlambert

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
$200.00 "saving" is overly optimistic. If you compare prices, a one piece unit is only about $90.00 less then the frame (as in M-70) Model...Then..you have to make a box.

I guess I wasn't comparing by prices. I was comparing by what I had seen when I watched Ted make them for a couple of days a couple of times.

I don't know how much that big hunk of steel weighs before it becomes the box, but I am sure that the steel costs would be significantly less. I know one of the things that caused Ted so much trouble was the fact that he didn't sharpen his own tools and he was constantly either buying new ones or having the old ones sharpened. so there would be a lot less wear and tear on the tools. and of course less time per unit for the operator, and less time per unit for the HAAS, and less time for the electricity, and cleanup, etc.

I don't see where a box would need to be anything fancy. 4 pieces of thin plate steel tack welded together over a template for each type of cartridge ought to do it. I seem to remember that Ted had a template or mockup of each type of box he was going to machine. I wish I owned those.

It seems kind of strange that down through the years people wouldn't have just cut off the boxes on their bottom metal and replaced the box if they were going to use a different type of cartridge, like say going from a 8 x 57 to a magnum cartridge in a mauser action.

Maybe you should a message up to Ted about needing bottom metal.

06 March 2018, 00:32

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

That's OK Lindy, next time you need advice on legal fees, I'll be glad to oblige..HAR!

06 March 2018, 01:10

gunmaker

Those looking for the holy grail of cheap versions of a Mauser floormetal need to spend some time looking at the bottom of a M70 and the bottom of a 98 and try and understand why bent sheet metal isn't a good option for a 98.

Hows that for a run on sentence?

06 March 2018, 01:38

gunmaker

keep lookin

06 March 2018, 01:55

butchlambert

James, you and Duane know nothing.

06 March 2018, 02:52

gunmaker

quote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
James, you and Duane know nothing.

Call me Sgt. Schultz and throw me another candy bar.

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I admit to not knowing the answer,.........

In other words, you are the expert, please tell us.

Nope, not givin it away. I want people to actually think about it and actually earn (learn) it. I've given the answer years ago here and you didn't learn it then.

If you don't have a 98 then look at an 03 Springfield. If you don't have a WinM70, then substitute a Rem700 or Howa1500. Take some time and just look at them.

06 March 2018, 03:18

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

quote:
Originally posted by gunmaker:
quote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
James, you and Duane know nothing.

Call me Sgt. Schultz and throw me another candy bar.

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I admit to not knowing the answer,.........

In other words, you are the expert, please tell us.

Nope, not givin it away. I want people to actually think about it and actually earn (learn) it. I've given the answer years ago here and you didn't learn it then.

If you don't have a 98 then look at an 03 Springfield. If you don't have a WinM70, then substitute a Rem700 or Howa1500. Take some time and just look at them.

What..no pro bono???

06 March 2018, 04:35

Don Markey

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
$200.00 "saving" is overly optimistic. If you compare prices, a one piece unit is only about $90.00 less then the frame (as in M-70) Model...Then..you have to make a box.

I guess I wasn't comparing by prices. I was comparing by what I had seen when I watched Ted make them for a couple of days a couple of times.

I don't know how much that big hunk of steel weighs before it becomes the box, but I am sure that the steel costs would be significantly less. I know one of the things that caused Ted so much trouble was the fact that he didn't sharpen his own tools and he was constantly either buying new ones or having the old ones sharpened. so there would be a lot less wear and tear on the tools. and of course less time per unit for the operator, and less time per unit for the HAAS, and less time for the electricity, and cleanup, etc.

I don't see where a box would need to be anything fancy. 4 pieces of thin plate steel tack welded together over a template for each type of cartridge ought to do it. I seem to remember that Ted had a template or mockup of each type of box he was going to machine. I wish I owned those.

It seems kind of strange that down through the years people wouldn't have just cut off the boxes on their bottom metal and replaced the box if they were going to use a different type of cartridge, like say going from a 8 x 57 to a magnum cartridge in a mauser action.

Yes but I wouldn’t make a custom mag box for $90. I do them a lot for enfields and I have more time than that in them.
Don

06 March 2018, 04:41

+Templar+

quote:
Originally posted by gunmaker:
quote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
James, you and Duane know nothing.

Call me Sgt. Schultz and throw me another candy bar.

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I admit to not knowing the answer,.........

In other words, you are the expert, please tell us.

Nope, not givin it away. I want people to actually think about it and actually earn (learn) it. I've given the answer years ago here and you didn't learn it then.

If you don't have a 98 then look at an 03 Springfield. If you don't have a WinM70, then substitute a Rem700 or Howa1500. Take some time and just look at them.

I’ll bite. Not an expert by any stretch of the imagination. The Winchester, Howa, and Rem 700 have actions that are inletted for the stamped mag box. Which provides some support to keep the box from bowing when the rounds hammer it during recoil. Ruger M77 MKII’s are inletted as well.

But it doesn’t work the greatest. My Winchester 70 in 416 has beat the hell out of the magazine. At one point, the follower would catch on the lip that was created just below the feed ramp when loading the magazine. I need to have it reinforced someday.

06 March 2018, 04:44

Don Markey

quote:
Originally posted by gunmaker:
quote:
Originally posted by butchlambert:
James, you and Duane know nothing.

Call me Sgt. Schultz and throw me another candy bar.

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
I admit to not knowing the answer,.........

In other words, you are the expert, please tell us.

Nope, not givin it away. I want people to actually think about it and actually earn (learn) it. I've given the answer years ago here and you didn't learn it then.

If you don't have a 98 then look at an 03 Springfield. If you don't have a WinM70, then substitute a Rem700 or Howa1500. Take some time and just look at them.

Come on James it’s not that hard to do. At $50 an hour man and machine you can do it for cheaper than Duane’s guards. Now you just have to find a man and machine that will work for $50 and you will still have a military guard.
Don

06 March 2018, 05:17

gunmaker

quote:
Originally posted by +Templar+:
The Winchester, Howa, and Rem 700 have actions that are inletted for the stamped mag box.

Winner winner chicken dinner!

The receiver is cut out to LOCATE the mag box.
While you can do an exceptional job inletting a stock that would locate a sheet metal box, not many of those lookin for something cheap are going to spend the time and effort (EXPENSIVE) to inlet to that level. Those that can will spend the time and effort to dress up a military floormetal worthy of hunting with for a lifetime.

THERE'S ALREADY INEXPENSIVE FLOORMETAL AVAILABLE FOR MAUSERS. IT COMES WITH THE ACTION.

06 March 2018, 17:53

Jim Kobe

You'se guys just can't stop[ feeding the troll. It's like the squirrels, don't put out the bird feed and they will stay away.

06 March 2018, 21:28

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

I think Jim Wisner determined that a mag box for the "heavy's" needs a wall thickness of 1/8" up front to avoid dimpling.

I concur.

Obviously, not easy to form a box out of 1/8" material

06 March 2018, 21:57

+Templar+

quote:
Originally posted by Duane Wiebe (CG&R):
I think Jim Wisner determined that a mag box for the "heavy's" needs a wall thickness of 1/8" up front to avoid dimpling.

I concur.

Obviously, not easy to form a box out of 1/8" material

Have you ever attempted to TIG a plate in the front to help reinforce the box? I have been wanting to build a 458 Lott on Model 70, but the only thing keeping me from doing so is knowing the 458 Lott will destroy the box.

06 March 2018, 23:44

Duane Wiebe (CG&R)

No, but couldn't hurt

07 March 2018, 01:28

Aaron Little

If I could only pay myself $50 an hour for every project that was harder or took longer than I anticipated!

07 March 2018, 06:54

larry miller

I built a 458 Lott on a old Model 70. Didn't have any trouble with the box. I sold it because I could not take the recoil. I stocked it with enough drop for iron sights. It only weighed about 9 lbs. I remember I used 748 Win ball powder. That's the only one I could get full velocity with.

07 March 2018, 07:26

butchlambert

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
quote:
Originally posted by Aaron Little:
If I could only pay myself $50 an hour for every project that was harder or took longer than I anticipated!

If I could only recapture the almost 1/2 million dollars that I have provided in pro bono legal services over the past 24 years I would probably donate it to charity.

I guess that you are a poor business man.
I guess the "pro bono" work that I have done in the past would supply myself with a lifetime of single malt.

07 March 2018, 07:36

just say moe

Here you go

Sarco

07 March 2018, 17:26

butchlambert

quote:
Originally posted by lindy2:
If being a "poor" businessman means providing legal help for disadvantaged women and kids then I admit to being a very poor businessman.

Jeeez guy!You sound like a law person.

07 March 2018, 20:48

z1r

The Argentine units are nice and can be gussied up some but you are still limited by the mag box dimensions.

Also, given what the Argie units go for, the cost of the straddle floorplate, and the release lever and the time and money to have them properly fitted, you are generally better off just buying quality aftermarket unit.

09 March 2018, 04:54

montea6b

z1r, your new avatar is pushing me towards a seizure... Please, go back to the old one!

09 March 2018, 05:10

richj

Here's a Wisner PME

10 March 2018, 01:52

724wd

quote:
Originally posted by montea6b:
z1r, your new avatar is pushing me towards a seizure... Please, go back to the old one!

the old one used to push you towards... well, nevermind.

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